Lake Chelan Wolves

[wrangler]

lol a wolf dog hybrid huh? yeeeeeeeah... next they'll be telling us it's all ok and not to worry cause its only a couple of manbearpigs! 

[Antlerking]

As far south as Entiat?  I have seen wolf tracks on numerous occcasions in the #1/#2 Canyon area, along with one brief sighting, and before the critics pipe in I do know the difference between a wolf and coyote track.  Now, they could have been a very large dog, but I have never seen dogs that far out.  Always a possibility but highly doubtful, and I know that people hike in #2 Canyon with dogs, but these tracks were away from the paths, with no human tracks or sign anywhere nearby.

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not 2 be clarifing or picking on u but #2 and #1 cyn is in the mission not the entiat  not 2 sure if u were appying that or not.

[woodswalker]

The reports were basically discounted, she said. Everyone thought the animals were probably wolf-dog hybrids.

So, lets go shoot a few for genetic testing.

[bearhunter99]

Antlerking, I was implying that I had seen sign much further south than the Entiat.  I am very familiar with both areas.  they are much more widespread than they will let on.  On top of that there were private groups releasing their own wolves back in the 80's.  I know a rancher that had problems back in the late 80's and early 90's with wolves killing cattle.  The WDFW's response was that there are no wolves in Washington, so eventually they were taken care of but I don't think they ever got all of them.

[Antlerking]

I agree, i have seen my share of convincing tracks over the years excpecially high up in the chiwawa unit that makes me think there is more out there than we what to guess

[MichaelJ]

Not to fuel the fire, but my gf's dad saw a wolf/pup this last high hunt up in the GPW...  Could've been part of this group!

Michael

[bearhunter99]

Check out the discussion arising from this article here:

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/feb/27/is-there-a-new-pack-of-wolves-near-lake-chelan/

People laugh about the stupid comments that ignorant and uninformed people make in regards to wolves but frankly it scares the living SH** out of me, because these are the same people that voted out baiting for bears and hunting cats with dogs.  The ignorant and uninformed are the ones that actually get out and vote and are the ones that have led to the sad state that hunting in this state has become.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Lenz said they’ve been getting reports since the early 1990s from hunters and outfitters who thought they saw or heard wolves.

“The outfitters that go up there have said for several years now they think there’s another pack,” she said.

The reports were basically discounted, she said. Everyone thought the animals were probably wolf-dog hybrids.

Fitkin and other WDFW bio's should listen to those that are in the woods over the years. There's more going on in them thar woods than they know about.

-Steve

Its the curse of Technology I'm afraid.  Instead of boots on the ground biology of old today its theories and computer models that are used.

Shootmoore

unfortunately, you are probably right on...

I know for a fact that two packs were seen on the very same day in the Methow, and so do several other people. Including fitkin.

Whats one more Lie?

how's that court case moving along? 
Waiting anxiously for you to be able to share all the particulars of the cover ups.

[ICEMAN]

Check out the discussion arising from this article here:

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/feb/27/is-there-a-new-pack-of-wolves-near-lake-chelan/

People laugh about the stupid comments that ignorant and uninformed people make in regards to wolves but frankly it scares the living SH** out of me, because these are the same people that voted out baiting for bears and hunting cats with dogs.  The ignorant and uninformed are the ones that actually get out and vote and are the ones that have led to the sad state that hunting in this state has become.

Bearhunter99, that is so true.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Check out the discussion arising from this article here:

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/feb/27/is-there-a-new-pack-of-wolves-near-lake-chelan/

People laugh about the stupid comments that ignorant and uninformed people make in regards to wolves but frankly it scares the living SH** out of me, because these are the same people that voted out baiting for bears and hunting cats with dogs.  The ignorant and uninformed are the ones that actually get out and vote and are the ones that have led to the sad state that hunting in this state has become.

Bearhunter99, that is so true.

Yep- they're also the ones that are running their mouth and convincing other idiots to their way of thinking. 

[wolfbait]

Check out the discussion arising from this article here:

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/feb/27/is-there-a-new-pack-of-wolves-near-lake-chelan/

People laugh about the stupid comments that ignorant and uninformed people make in regards to wolves but frankly it scares the living SH** out of me, because these are the same people that voted out baiting for bears and hunting cats with dogs.  The ignorant and uninformed are the ones that actually get out and vote and are the ones that have led to the sad state that hunting in this state has become.

Bearhunter99, that is so true.

Yep- they're also the ones that are running their mouth and convincing other idiots to their way of thinking. 

There is only one set of idiots, and I am sure everyone can figure out which ones they are. People who have really studied the wolf issue have facts to back up what they tell the little fools that believe the Defenders of Wildlife's lies.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I disagree....I think there are LOTS of idiot subsets! 

[esgarbanzo]

The anti-predator sentiment on this site is strong. Are their folks here who support wolves returning to WA? I have done a fair amount of research on them because I consider myself an environmentalist and a hunter/fisherman. Despite the stories of random slaughter of livestock and game animals in mass quantities, only 1% of livestock loss in ID and MT last year was due to wolves. Places like Canada and Alaska, which have always supported healthy wolf populations, also are great hunting destinations. There is already evidence that the MT wolf population is stabilizing. They have caused resurgences in Yellowstone beaver, cottonwood, and cutthroat among other species. Even Yellowstone elk are doing better than before wolves, though there are fewer, they no longer starve in the winter.

I think that small sustainable wolf populations that are subject to hunting management will only make deer and elk hunting better. They will select for bigger animals, which we as hunters (and management) have culled.

The next step though is reintroducing grizzlies. They help keep wolves in check.

Anyways, wolves are valuable to the ecosystem. That is undeniable. Anti-wolf sentiment among hunters and ranchers is often justified, but somewhat overblown I think.

I'm not saying, I'm just sayin
Jeremy

[dontgetcrabs]

That's just a bunch of pelosi right there.   

[Kain]

*Sniff sniff*  you smell something?

There are lots of hunters that would not mind a sustainable number of wolves in Washington.  The problem is most do not believe that they will ever be managed that way.