WDFW meeting today

[wolfbait]

Well wolfbait i have some good news for you .I was told today, they won't be transplanting wolves anywhere in the state.They will though let them come here naturally,and in my op ion is reckless endangerment, and until we file a class action law suit, nothing will be done about that.So again start dialing your state reps and show them facts of the matter.The one thing i can guaranty is none of them are on this web site.Information is key in our success as outdoors people,so flood the law makers with it .

So what you were told is they will quit planting wolves throughout Washington? WDFW must figure they have  enough wolves spread out around the state. Have you heard anything about their trans-locating plans?

(That's a bigger bureaucracy the combination of these agencies.One allows multiple land use,and the other allows none especially if your a offroad enthusiast.I want all of you to ask these questions of your Reps.
1.What studies have they done in the past 5 years.
2.What habitat studies have they done and what units.
3.How did they come up with the carrying capacity of each unit for the wildlife
4.How did they determine how many animals are in each unit.
5.Lastly ask for the information in writing under the freedom of information act.
I personally want some black and white proof to study myself ,the hunters of this stateknow the population.Whens the last time you have seen a WDFW employee out in the timber.)

Great idea Bbarnes, Unlike their wolves the WDFW are very elusive your hardly ever see one in the woods.

[bobcat]

That's a bigger bureaucracy the combination of these agencies.One allows multiple land use,and the other allows none especially if your a offroad enthusiast.

Actually they both allow multiple uses on the state lands they manage. WDFW lands are open for ATV use, just like DNR lands, in general. Let's not make false accusations here. There's enough to use against them as it is without making things up.

[Shootmoore]

Thank you for going to the meeting everyone.  I was unable to go in person do to work.  I did send letters of concern on the issues I felt were important for whatever good that did.  While it is difficult for me to be there in body I at least try to provide my imput through letters and emails.  Even though I feel I am throwing my views against a brick wall I will continue to keep voicing those views.

Shootmoore

[backwoods_boy]

If i didnt have my daughter i would have been there.
thank you for who went.
what a mess.
Even more of a reason for me to look to the future and move to montana.
 

[Dirtsquirt]

 >:(This is exactly what my thread was about on the Elk Hunting Board.  They didn't notify anyone! If they did they would have documents showing where and how.  If you are going to do something like this you are REQUIRED to notify the public and allow time for comment.  I know this because I work in govt.  Now I did see something on the WDFW website where it appears they changed their procedure or protocol for "AMENDING/CHANGING" rules but cant be sure.  I believe you can do a public records request and they will have to provide you with where and when they "posted" or "contacted" the public about these proposals.  The simple truth is its all about revenue to save their jobs, they honestly don't give a s%^t about whats best way to manage the wildlife in this state.  I am still wondering why the old WDFW head, Koenig I think suddenly resigned last year.  Did he see some things starting to happen that he didn't or wouldn't back as the head of the organization?  I do appreciate you guys going to the meeting and informing us on what happened, that was one of my main gripes with this is because of the late notice I could not get away from my job.  Probably why there weren't to many hunters there, just like the WDFW planned.  Pretty easy to lead someone down the wrong road when they don't get all the facts.

[Wacenturion]

If you want to make life miserable for wildlife management and the folks that set this permit change up.............hit them with as many public disclosure requests under the Freedom of Information Act as you can think of, and as was alluded to in previous posts.  They absolutely hate those things.
Make them provide the basis for this and other decisions......on all management decisions and issues.  Might as well get something for your hard earned license dollars.  Two can play the "piss me off" game.

[whacker1]

Thank you for the three of you that went to the meeting.  I did not go, and should have driven from spokane to hit the meeting.  I will send additional letters.

[bobcat]

I'm really not sure going to the meeting was all that beneficial from a "providing public input" standpoint. But it was informative to see how the WDFW employees don't have a problem with lying to the Commissioners.

You know if you really want to attend a meeting the next one is in Leavenworth next month and that is when they suppossedly are going to decide whether to adopt the changes to the special permit system.

[whacker1]

It was useful in the sense that you were able to get information back to this group and any others you participate in. A messenger of bad news is better than no messenger at all.  Again Thank You

[duckmen1]

if there talking about carrying point toward every catagory
how come i get drawn last year for a doe and loose all my points
why not loose my points just toward the antlerless catagory
same with my brother

[bobcat]

if there talking about carrying point toward every catagory
how come i get drawn last year for a doe and loose all my points
why not loose my points just toward the antlerless catagory
same with my brother

You're right. That's why the new proposal is not fair. If they were going to be fair, they would do as you suggest. But they would have to go back to when the point system started in 1996. Which of course would be way too complicated, and that is why the best option would be for them to allow each person to pick one category in which their accumulated points will go.

[Bob33]

if there talking about carrying point toward every catagory
how come i get drawn last year for a doe and loose all my points
why not loose my points just toward the antlerless catagory
same with my brother

If I understand your question correctly, you lost all your points because there was only one deer category last year.  If this new system is implemented, in the future you would lose points only in the category you drew in such as antlerless.  However, because you currently have no points you would go into the new system with no points in all the categories.

[winshooter88]

if there talking about carrying point toward every catagory
how come i get drawn last year for a doe and loose all my points
why not loose my points just toward the antlerless catagory
same with my brother

Everyone who got drawn for any tag, (doe, cow buck or bull) lost their points. Would it be fair to all the people who didn't get drawn last year to give you back points when you did get drawn last year.
Even if you didn't get a doe last year you made your choices when you applied last year, no one knew that this change was coming this year. No matter how the points are handled in this changeover some people aren't going to be happy. You can't change the past, if this change hadn't come down the pike you would have propably been fine with your doe permit last year. Some things you just have to live with.

[bobcat]

Everyone who got drawn for any tag, (doe, cow buck or bull) lost their points. Would it be fair to all the people who didn't get drawn last year to give you back points when you did get drawn last year.
Even if you didn't get a doe last year you made your choices when you applied last year, no one knew that this change was coming this year. No matter how the points are handled in this changeover some people aren't going to be happy. You can't change the past, if this change hadn't come down the pike you would have propably been fine with your doe permit last year. Some things you just have to live with.

I mostly agree with all of the above, but Dave Ware also told me something similar to your statement that "No matter how the points are handled in this changeover some people aren't going to be happy" and I find that really hard to believe.

If each person was allowed to choose in which category their points were placed, do you really think ANYBODY would have a problem with that?

So those who had been applying generally for the "quality" permits could put their points in the Quality category, and others who mostly put in for the antlerless hunts, and therefore have less points than the "quality" hunt people, could put their points in the Antlerless category, etc, etc.

[winshooter88]

Bobcat,

What about the people who would like to have full points in all catagories, would they be happy with your plan?