Forrest service trail camera found! Guys pissed

[mkcj]

This guy seems to have a real problem with them having a camera in the woods. What do you all think?



http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/mar/16/francis-marion-has-hidden-cameras/

[DDFever]

I do not know why the forest service was being so coy about the trail camera.  They should have just been honest and told the gentleman that remote areas are used for marijuana grows, and they were just trying to identify the bad guys.  Eastern Washington has a long history of Mexican nationals growing thousands of marijuana plants in our national forest.  It is devastating to the environment.

People need to relax, it is an investigative tool deployed a lot.  Today's criminals are very savvy and law enforcement has to try and stay one step ahead of them.  This usually get miscrued by the public as big brother is watching. 

[seaduckhunter]

This is going be the same guy that would find your trail camera out there in the woods and take it home too!  Next thing you know we will be all charged with voyarism.  He needs to chill.

[poohdog]

They use them on the pennisula to try and catch cedar thievies as well.

[mountainman1]

       I wonder if they are using them to catch up with the Lookout Pack. They better hurry up because the deer are disappearing fast.

[PolarBear]

This is going be the same guy that would find your trail camera out there in the woods and take it home too!  Next thing you know we will be all charged with voyarism.  He needs to chill.

They should have prosecuted him for taking the camera.  Dumb ass! 

[shoot-em-dead]

The lawyer is concerned about the privacy of using the forrest as a restroom.   What does the law enforcement do with that kind of info- report it to the local paper?

[Clipboard guy]

They are actually doing a study on whether people wad or fold their toilet paper...

[Little Dave]

I think you are right.  Even though about 75 percent of the population is just fine with the way that TP works, some of the rest are really struggling and the president is making the rounds and urging America to support this new TP improvement plan.  It is time to produce something America really needs and at last witness in our own hands change we can believe in.

Yeah, leave the cameras.

[Tom Reichner]

I just hope the following couldn't / wouldn't ever happen:
There's a grow in a remote area of a National Forest.  Forest Service law enforcement puts some hidden cameras up in the area.  Someone is there legitimately - camping, hiking, hunting, whatever.  The guy gets "caught" on video.  A couple days later he's back home and law enforcement bangs on his door.  When he answers they treat him like a suspect and interrogate him with a ton of questions, forcing him to explain what he was doing there.  If he refuses to answer their questions, they really suspect him, and maybe even take him to their headquarters for further questioning.  Maybe he simply thinks that whet he was doing there is none of their business, and he's right - it isn't. 
Why should anyone ever be detained or considered suspicious simply because they were seen on a video camera? 
I wouldn't be surprised if more than one innocent person has been subjected to visits by the police and questioning because of video cameras used in this manner.
If they need to use cams to try to catch their bad guys, fine - as long as not one innocent person is ever inconvenienced in any way whatsoever.   

[Skyvalhunter]

Well unfortunately there is alot of vandalism done at trail head parking areas.With people being charged for parking passes the Forest Service is in a round about way responsible to try to curtail the vandalism. Some places have "trail head hosts" but that is usually a volunteer job and there are not as many volunteers out there. So trail head cams might be a substitute or way of the future.

[runamuk]

I don't mind cams in the woods but gotta say it makes me a little nervous wondering who might be watching

 not too mention you could find pictures of yourself posted on the internet    not everyone goes to bars and such to have fun 

[Curly]

Did anyone else find it ironic that the trail cam was placed next to Lake Moultrie? 

[h2ofowlr]

They are starting to place these remote ones that can be accessed by GPS / satalite at many gatted locations.  In order to catch those sneaking into areas.  It should be interesting in the years to come.

[GoldTip]

They are starting to place these remote ones that can be accessed by GPS / satalite at many gatted locations.  In order to catch those sneaking into areas.  It should be interesting in the years to come.

They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana.  I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open.   He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's.  I feel they are a good thing personally.

[bigdave]

If you wouldn't agree to a camera on the street in front of your house, you shouldn't agree to one anywhere.  It is a slippery slope gentlemen.

[MichaelJ]

I'm with PolarBear on this one!  What kind of idiot/dip*censored*/notalent@$$clown finds a trailcame in the woods and thinks; "Man I better take this home and find the owner so they don't lose it!"...

What a crock of crap, throw some charges at his ass!  Some people don't think before they act...

Michael

[Little Dave]

There had been some thefts up a logging road and they did some damage to my uncle's equipment, so the forest service put a camera near a gate.  Day after he moved the grader out had a look at the pictures, they mentioned that he might pee the other direction next time... they had a good laugh about that.

[Tom Reichner]

They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana.  I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open.   He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's.  I feel they are a good thing personally.

I think the guy should have been able to drive on the road.  If the road was at all passable, they shouldn't have gated & locked the road in the first place.  Are you really ok with the government controlling where you can/can't go?

[runamuk]

They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana.  I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open.   He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's.  I feel they are a good thing personally.

I think the guy should have been able to drive on the road.  If the road was at all passable, they shouldn't have gated & locked the road in the first place.  Are you really ok with the government controlling where you can/can't go?

I actually am ok with gated roads mostly because I am so tired of seeing so much trash in the woods...on second thought maybe we should all just dump our trash there seeing as its "our" public land........

and if the forest service can't have cameras in the woods then I think all private citizens also should be barred from using them.....again I really do not care....if you aren't breaking the rules then its sort of a non issue if you are growing tons of marijuana it might be a problem......

its interesting to me how we all see these things a little differently...like the people at work who do not see killing an animal to feed their family as poaching even if its out of season 

[Curly]

I agree with the idea of arresting the guy for stealing the camera.  What the hell gave him the right to take someone elses camera? 

I've been saying for years that the County should be using cameras to catch people dumping junk (cars, refrigerators, couches, washers, dryers, etc.) along the road.  There is a wide spot on a county road a couple miles from my house that constantly is getting junk dumped there.  Time to get some cameras up and arrest these dirtbags that are costing the county a bunch of money by having to clean up that Pelosi that gets dumped there.

[GoldTip]

They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana.  I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open.   He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's.  I feel they are a good thing personally.

I think the guy should have been able to drive on the road.  If the road was at all passable, they shouldn't have gated & locked the road in the first place.  Are you really ok with the government controlling where you can/can't go?

Is this a serious question?  They close roads all the time back home with gates and leave them passable, sometimes it's so they can get in later to fight a fire if there is one.  When Moose hunting the Selkirk unit this past fall I walked a lot of gated roads that were fully passable, so they do it here in WA. as well.  Sometimes they close them for reasons of animal protection, such as area's that are traditional deer/elk calving/fawning areas, and then they re-open them after calving season.  And the government didn't control where we went, they simply controlled how we got there.

Do you think it's OK for me to drive my four wheeler anywhere on National forest land just because I can get it there?  I may not like them gating or closing roads, and I quite often think it's bullpucky when they do, but I don't look at it as if they "control" where I go, they are simply controlling how I get there.  Most often they close/gate roads for protection of animals for one reason or another, and yes, I am OK with that.

[jackelope]

there's cameras in the woods all over the place...
at trailheads for security, in the woods looking for wolves and other game, the forest service has them, the wdfw biologists have them, etc...they could be anywhere.

I agree with Goldtip.

[Houndhunter]

i dont like them, i read an article about them doing this in wa and they got pics of wolverines in the area i hunt. well anyone could have told you they were most likely there, but what i see is gonna happen is they close off areas to hunting just like what they have done in ea wa when they found a grizzly when they find pics of animals that are "endangered"

[GoldTip]

i dont like them, i read an article about them doing this in wa and they got pics of wolverines in the area i hunt. well anyone could have told you they were most likely there, but what i see is gonna happen is they close off areas to hunting just like what they have done in ea wa when they found a grizzly when they find pics of animals that are "endangered"

Have they actually closed area's to hunting in NE WA because of Grizzlies or just closed the driveable roads?  Cuz I hunted the hell outta the most NE unit in the state and didn't find any area's closed to hunting, I just couldn't drive into them.

[shoot-em-dead]

Gold tip is correct. The mainly control how you get there. I have seen areas closed for fire danger but I would rather have them closed for a little while than to have the area burned up. And they usually advertise areas closed pretty well. I actually think it is good that they have cameras out and can gather evidence against criminals. The worst thing they are going to get of me is taking a leak or dropping a pelosi. Something I am sure they would be happy to delete. Get it straight guys- don't break the law and you don't have to worry. That includes dumping garbage, busting gates, poaching, growing drugs, or STEALING CAMERAS,etc.

[PolarBear]

Gold tip is correct. The mainly control how you get there. I have seen areas closed for fire danger but I would rather have them closed for a little while than to have the area burned up. And they usually advertise areas closed pretty well. I actually think it is good that they have cameras out and can gather evidence against criminals. The worst thing they are going to get of me is taking a leak or dropping a pelosi. Something I am sure they would be happy to delete. Get it straight guys- don't break the law and you don't have to worry. That includes dumping garbage, busting gates, poaching, growing drugs, or STEALING CAMERAS,etc.

[CMG]

I find it humorous anyone on this site complaining about using hidden cameras out in the woods? If that camera belonged to member on this site, there would be a full investigation . Thus I agree with others "Leave the camera alone"!.  
I am all for authorities using what ever means necessary to catch any and all criminal/vandalism acts.
I do however believe there should be some thought to posting signs @ gates or trailheads stating "Someones watching". Just as most all public places are required to do.

[BIGINNER]

I find it humorous anyone on this site complaining about using hidden cameras out in the woods? If that camera belonged to member on this site, there would be a full investigation . Thus I agree with others "Leave the camera alone"!.  
I am all for authorities using what ever means necessary to catch any and all criminal/vandalism acts.
I do however believe there should be some thought to posting signs @ gates or trailheads stating "Someones watching". Just as most all public places are required to do.

[Slayerz]

In NE WA, the forest service uses trail cameras to catch wood thieves that are cutting firewood in areas that are closed to firewood cutting or that have active timber sales.  They have been setting the cameras up on the roads and getting pictures of empty trucks going in and full trucks coming out, with clear views of the liscence plate.  The same basic idea of the WDFW using cams to catch elk poachers.  If cameras help in catching illegal activity in a public place, then they have every right to use cameras.  It is in the end public ground, just like cameras on a street!     

[Atroxus]

Call me paranoid but I find it odd that they would be so evasive about why/how the cameras are being used. If they are there for a valid purpose I see no reason for them not to just admit it. Unless the guy that placed the camera is just some werid sicko hoping to catch video of campers "answering the call of nature", or getting freaky in the woods. I doubt it's to catch pot growers though, if it was at a camp ground. I am pretty sure growers try to stay remote enough to not have to worry about people stumbling across their operation constantly.

[seaduckhunter]

There  was word out that WDFW had cameras out on the Pilchuck river trying to catch people illegaly keeping native steelhead.  If I remember they actually placed signs that stated this at the major access points. 

[jackelope]

I've been at trailheads with signs making folks aware of video monitoring...Tonga Ridge is one that I can remember right off hand...Lake 22 also if i remember correctly.

[Houndhunter]

i dont like them, i read an article about them doing this in wa and they got pics of wolverines in the area i hunt. well anyone could have told you they were most likely there, but what i see is gonna happen is they close off areas to hunting just like what they have done in ea wa when they found a grizzly when they find pics of animals that are "endangered"

Have they actually closed area's to hunting in NE WA because of Grizzlies or just closed the driveable roads?  Cuz I hunted the hell outta the most NE unit in the state and didn't find any area's closed to hunting, I just couldn't drive into them.

I shouldnt of said closed for hunting, i was told they were closed as in no entry at all by car or on foot so thus making it so you cant hunt there. i wasnt there to see it but i do beleive they guy that told me, maybe he miss read the signs and they just made it so you couldnt drive in the area but thats how he interpeted it

[banannaclip]

they [forest service] just cant legally go and place cameras up anywhere with out it being posted that their monitering the area,that is an illegal act ,i ll be keeping my eye out looking for them now .

[grundy53]

Call me paranoid but I find it odd that they would be so evasive about why/how the cameras are being used. If they are there for a valid purpose I see no reason for them not to just admit it. Unless the guy that placed the camera is just some werid sicko hoping to catch video of campers "answering the call of nature", or getting freaky in the woods. I doubt it's to catch pot growers though, if it was at a camp ground. I am pretty sure growers try to stay remote enough to not have to worry about people stumbling across their operation constantly.

or maybe they were being evasive about it cause they don't want criminals to know what they are doing? would you want to show the other team your play book?

[NRA4LIFE]

Did anyone else find it ironic that it was on Lake "Moultrie"?

[Curly]

Did anyone else find it ironic that it was on Lake "Moultrie"?

I did.    I posted that same question on page 1. 

Did anyone else find it ironic that the trail cam was placed next to Lake Moultrie? 

[corktex]

I can see the future very clearly from here! Nothing to hide nothing to lose.Ben Franklin was right about us,we value safety and security over freedom and deserve neither! I bet old Ben did all sorts of weird stuff on the king's highway and in the king's wood,but what does privacy have to with liberty or conduct with freedom anyway! Hint, if Britain had had hidden cameras everywhere in the 1700,like they do today, old Ben and his criminal buddies would have all been hung in public for treason!! I know but,but,but it's in the name of progress,laws are there for our protection,think of the children,if you don't like it stay home and so on.For now just let me scan your id,we have the technology,so get in line unless there is something to hide here! Ask a Brit how they like cameras everywhere.

[littlemac]

Odds are there is more crime going on in the woods than we can imagine. Cameras that help catch these idiots don't bother me much.


Poachers Gets Busted - Washington Fish and Wildlife Police - Game Warden

Stealing From Forest - - US Forest Service Law Enforcement - Oregon State Police - Game Warden

[rainshadow1]

I'm not worried about Govt Cameras.

(Feel free to read between the lines.)

[mkcj]

looks like the poacher is going from a 'kill-em all boy" to "I'm going to be taking it from behind boy" for 13 month's I hope it was worth it BOY! 

[FureForBulls]

Law enforcement could do a lot better things with our money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Most of you guys are a bunch of jacks!!!!!!

These kinds of methods are joke.     "We all own the forest"