Bird dogs Vs. Hounds

[Houndhunter]

The game wardens sure seem to dislike you hound guys.   That sucks.  You guys ever try telling them that you're just out for a walk with your dog and you're not running anything.....

did you read my story?? it dont matter when you run across the right gamie

[mulehunter]

The game wardens sure seem to dislike you hound guys.   That sucks.  You guys ever try telling them that you're just out for a walk with your dog and you're not running anything.....

Trust me I got stopped by Gamewarden EVEN I am Excrising strike in Hancock Forest over Snoq area last year before I head out to Lolo Unit Idaho bear hunting.  I am trying to dragging a scent with Bear stuff on it and put rag with scent hanging up Tree off the road for dog to learn how to strike off box and they stopped forced me to step out my truck twice in this area and search whole my truck even my Camera and told me put your dogs back in BOX and get out your not allowed use hounds here. But they kept said U CANNOT BRING HOUNDS IN THIS AREA!  Well I asked him Where Can I training my dogs and excrise running on road before I head out to Idaho.  He said you have to go over Idaho and not here. 


Mulehunter

[mulehunter]

Guess the law says bird dogs cant persue/harass game birds but every lab, golden retriever, or pointer (or whatever)running around at the state park chasing ducks is off the hook, but someone see s my dog box on my truck i am guaranteed to be called out.    UGH   

RCW 77.15.240
Unlawful use of dogs — Public nuisance — Penalty. 



     (c) During the closed season for a species of game animal or game bird, negligently fails to prevent the dog from pursuing such animal or destroying the nest of a game bird.

     (2) Unlawful use of dogs is a misdemeanor. A dog that is the basis for a violation of this section may be declared a public nuisance.


[1998 c 190 § 30.]

 

Mulehunter   

[Houndhunter]

The game wardens sure seem to dislike you hound guys.   That sucks.  You guys ever try telling them that you're just out for a walk with your dog and you're not running anything.....

Trust me I got stopped by Gamewarden EVEN I am Excrising strike in Hancock Forest over Snoq area last year before I head out to Lolo Unit Idaho bear hunting.  I am trying to dragging a scent with Bear stuff on it and put rag with scent hanging up Tree off the road for dog to learn how to strike off box and they stopped forced me to step out my truck twice in this area and search whole my truck even my Camera and told me put your dogs back in BOX and get out your not allowed use hounds here. But they kept said U CANNOT BRING HOUNDS IN THIS AREA!  Well I asked him Where Can I training my dogs and excrise running on road before I head out to Idaho.  He said you have to go over Idaho and not here. 


Mulehunter

pretty f'd up huh, i dont road my dog anymore. hard to keep your dogs in shape when you live in wa

[Curly]

The game wardens sure seem to dislike you hound guys.   That sucks.  You guys ever try telling them that you're just out for a walk with your dog and you're not running anything.....

did you read my story?? it dont matter when you run across the right gamie

Yeah, I read your story.  That is F'd up.  I feel for you guys.  The WDFW sucks.  They go by the assumption that people are guilty and you have to try to prove you're innocent....

I was just wondering what the gamie would have done if you lied to him........instead of telling him the truth about looking for racoons (even though there apparently isn't any to be found), what if you would have said you were just going for a walk with your dog?

[whacker1]

or shed hunting with your dog? I know several people that take their labs with them when they shed hunt. 

Sad that they treat hound hunters and others as second class citizens.  I wonder if the game wardens that interpret the law as they do have ever had to defend their own innocent actions in court on their own dime.  Many of them sure like to write tickets and let the folks defend in court.  Very frustrating.  Maybe if the Game Wardens would play an active role with hound hunters more Tom's would be killed instead of the season ending early, because too many females were taken in a particular unit. 

I just don't understand why they target the cat hunting so hard.  Is there not enough fishing to patrol during the winter?  Do they just not have enough to do during this time of the year?

[bobcat]

I'm not even sure why they'd be concerned with enforcing the no hound hunting law. After all, they claim they were not for it... it was the voters of Washington state that passed it. They should only be going after hound hunters who are blatantly violating the law.

[bearpaw]

mulehunter I have some experience in this.

We were told we can excercise our hounds, however, if they leave the road on a track they are considered hunting. Also the hounds must be under your immediate control.

There are some potential Forest Service problems, I think they could harrass you for not having a dog leashed if they want to.

There is language in the regulations that address this issue of what is considered hunting with dogs.

[bearpaw]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/cougar/index.htm

Transporting a dog(s) in a motorized vehicle or walking a dog on a leash is not pursuit.

[bobcat]

It's kind of hard to give a hunting dog proper exercise while on a leash!  Unless you're into running along with the dog at 15 mph for 10 miles!   

[whacker1]

It's kind of hard to give a hunting dog proper exercise while on a leash!  Unless you're into running along with the dog at 15 mph for 10 miles!   

You just need to do it like Clark Griswold does it and tie the leash to the bumper of the family truckster.   

[steen]

I don't think a hunter would be cited for being in a field with his dogs.  If they were you probably are not hearing the whole truth.  Since he said it was a hypathetical question it makes me feel better.  A young friend got a ticket for illegally taking a deer.  He admits the fault, he did not tag the deer.  He would not have used the tag again but just made a mistake by not tagging it.  He learned a valuable and expensive lesson.  Even the game warden didn't figure he was doing it to reuse the tag but had to give him the ticket.  The young man did not argue with the gamewarden and took the ticket like a man.  If I was ticketed just running my dogs in a field for excersise I would have been upset but taken it to court instead of arguing with the officer.

[Houndhunter]

I'm not even sure why they'd be concerned with enforcing the no hound hunting law. After all, they claim they were not for it... it was the voters of Washington state that passed it. They should only be going after hound hunters who are blatantly violating the law.

that bill passed almost 15 years ago, how many gamies you think that were employed than still are now? i was talking to a guy on saturday about how sometimes you run into a gamie and it just seems like he knows nothing about hunting, he told about an article he read for people interested in becoming a game warden. it stated in the article that they are trying to employ more non hunters as game wardens, not a good idea. they arent regular cops, they should at least have some knowledge of hunting in general. i havnt seen the article but if i find i will be sure to post it up. im not trying to sound like i hate gamies, but they treat you like *censored* when you have hounds with you everytime! im all about having someone get busted if they commit a crime, especially with wildlife, ive just had some bad run ins with gamies when i was doing nothing wrong

[stumprat]

These are the reasons I ultimately sold my dogs.
A few years back. I was cited for hunting out of season for roading my dogs for exercise. I offered the warden to search my truck for firearms as I had none with me.
At that point. He told me I didn't need a firearm. He went on to explain to me that the definition of hunting was "Any means to harass, pursue, or kill".
I was informed that as a houndsman. Anytime your dogs are not under you physical control ie.,(leash) you meet the definition of hunting.
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"I'm not even sure why they'd be concerned with enforcing the no hound hunting law. After all, they claim they were not for it... it was the voters of Washington state that passed it. They should only be going after hound hunters who are blatantly violating the law".
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To answer this question. It's not what the Dept. did TO us. It is more thier lack of doing anything at all as we went through it. Believe me the silence on thier part was deafening.

If you want to know what it is like to feel criminalized, and betrayed by WDFW. Just put a dog box in your truck.

And yes it is true. The voters decided the fate of hound hunting back then. But last year the department outlawed Coyote hunting with dogs. On thier own accord.

This action should concern coon hunters and beaglers greatly. Now that the department has made this move. It is my opinion that the antis will really push the dept. to curtail more dog hunting oppotunities.

OK enough of my rants.  Best of luck to future houndsmen

[mulehunter]

Thanks people for share about this. My whole POINT is  BETWEEN Bird Dogs and Hounds.


Reason I am here to share about this GENERAL POINT why Bird Dogs get to chase "PURSUIT" Bird ANYWHERE I PROMISE YOU people.... Maybe 500 residence chased off Geese, Grouse, ducks Per weekend TRUST ME.... but they dont get citied or harassed by Gammie....     

By the way Its snowing sooo HARD up here. I will write more when my Dish get cleared from Snow.


SNOWING almost one inches here!

Mulehunter