Bird dogs Vs. Hounds

[Machias]

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Why is it legal for you bird guys to use live bait and us houndsman are left out in the cold again...     

Explain to me please why Bird dogs People can do whatever they want to.

Mulehunter 

because I raise or buy the live game from a licensed dealer or trap pests legally. If you would like to run your hounds on live game, you are welcome to use privately owned ranches with privately owned game for pursuit / hunting....

I cannot go use WILDLIFE for training my dogs. I will get a ticket just as quickly as you if I send my dog out and it turns up a bunch of featherless ducklings.

Not ture, I can attest to this first hand.  I cannot go and trap a pest, i.e. a coon and run it for training, even if I ensure it is released unharmed.  I can't catch it and use a roll cage, nothing. 

[Happy Gilmore]

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,46240.0.html

Why is it legal for you bird guys to use live bait and us houndsman are left out in the cold again...      

Explain to me please why Bird dogs People can do whatever they want to.

Mulehunter  

because I raise or buy the live game from a licensed dealer or trap pests legally. If you would like to run your hounds on live game, you are welcome to use privately owned ranches with privately owned game for pursuit / hunting....

I cannot go use WILDLIFE for training my dogs. I will get a ticket just as quickly as you if I send my dog out and it turns up a bunch of featherless ducklings.

Not ture, I can attest to this first hand.  I cannot go and trap a pest, i.e. a coon and run it for training, even if I ensure it is released unharmed.  I can't catch it and use a roll cage, nothing.  

Sorry, I don't train with racoons and I don't know if they are considered pests when living wild. You can go to a legal game ranch can't you? Privately owned and has privately raised "pests" to train your dogs with can't you?

It is exactly what I pay for when I'm training my bird dogs.

[Machias]

Hmm that's a good question, I wonder if I could buy a legal coon for training purposes, I'll have to check into that.  The privately owned and raised cats are out as well, unfortunately.   

[Machias]

$275 for a baby coon....hmmm the possibilities.

[Happy Gilmore]

Hmm that's a good question, I wonder if I could buy a legal coon for training purposes, I'll have to check into that.  The privately owned and raised cats are out as well, unfortunately.   

I suppose if your house kitty wants to play "big cat" for a day you could take it to a friends' private land and use it for testing the hounds? just a thought? hehehe...

[mulehunter]

    Would u sell me some Babies Coon... Just joking... What I have spend time with my hounds going to Feild Trip where they set a meeting dragging hide Bear and invited almost 200 houndmen join club and enjoy. I had FUN every year. It helps my dogs improve chase. Its only thing I could do. Still I wish It would be something different. This year I will try to find someone who got permits this coming fall hopefully to get threw our dogs with and chase Cougar!   

Mulehunter 

[TONTO]

  You need a permit to own a coon, it's a wild animal. Back when I was running my hounds our club, Cowlitz County, had a pet coon we used for the water races and field trials.
   I like to take my lab out grouse hunting in Sept, but I believe since last year and this year again I have been drawn for multiple season deer tags then I am ileagle since I have a valid archery tag in my possesion, and acompanied by a dog even though I am packing a scatter gun. I supose if I had a slug or buck shot they could probably get me for hunting bear or cat, never seen a lab put a bear up before, but it could be done. Interpretation, and intent

[bobcat]

Tonto, I'd check with the WDFW about that. I don't think they can tell you that you can't grouse hunt just because you happen to have an archery tag for deer. It's not like the dog would be an aid in killing a deer anyway. Never have I heard of such a thing, that a person with a valid deer tag could not be out in the field hunting birds. I've done it many times.

[Happy Gilmore]

  You need a permit to own a coon, it's a wild animal. Back when I was running my hounds our club, Cowlitz County, had a pet coon we used for the water races and field trials.
   I like to take my lab out grouse hunting in Sept, but I believe since last year and this year again I have been drawn for multiple season deer tags then I am ileagle since I have a valid archery tag in my possesion, and acompanied by a dog even though I am packing a scatter gun. I supose if I had a slug or buck shot they could probably get me for hunting bear or cat, never seen a lab put a bear up before, but it could be done. Interpretation, and intent

Tough to get ticketed for archery deer hunting when you are carrying a shot gun and hunting with a dog isn't it? I think that would be called hunting out of season and illegal use of dogs for tracking/hunting...probably a much more significant penalty....