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well.....i am on the e-mail list and it seems i only get selective ones, i knew nothing of the proposed changes until about 6 weeks ago
Quote from: JIMKD8 on March 30, 2010, 11:48:12 AMwell.....i am on the e-mail list and it seems i only get selective ones, i knew nothing of the proposed changes until about 6 weeks ago Same.
Game Regulations for 2010The Department is considering rule making for the following: deer and elk seasons and permits; cougar permits; black bear seasons and permits; mountain goat, bighorn sheep, and moose permits; raffle and auction rules and fees; bighorn sheep marking rules; turkey seasons and permits; landowner hunting permit program; deer and elk area boundaries; and hunting equipment rules.CR-101 - filed as WSR 09-24-111 on December 2, 2009Invitation to discuss rules on this subjectCR-102 - filed as WSR 10-04-125 on February 3, 2010 (see revisions below)Notice and opportunity to comment on this current rule-making proposalMarch 5, 2010 Revisions to Proposed Rule Changes These revisions to the WACs that were proposed with the CR-102 are very minor. The Department made changes to correct grammar and punctuation and to add penalty language to each WAC.Public Comment Period:A public hearing will take place at 8:00 a.m. on March 12-13, 2010Washington Department of Fish and WildlifeFirst Floor Room 1721111 Washington St. SEOlympia, WA 98504
Ya seriously they dont care. These meetings are a formailty thats required by law. The decisions were made several years ago behind closed doors.
The turkey is by FAR the most successfull game animal to be re-introduced into WA.
I think its funny when people say that the WDFW does a pretty good job considering what they have to work with. These people I think are very optimistic and very NAIVE. So for those people I have a question. If the WDFW is so good then why is it that the Mule Deer in Central Washington are doing so poorly. Why has the Colockum elk herd continued to go down hill? If the WDFW is does such a good job then why is it that despite the fact that we have so many hunters and fisherman compared to other states the WDFW can't properly manage their budget? If the WDFW does such a good job then why to they pay farmers to plant CRP but don't enforce the farmers to ensure that they let us hunt their property. Why do they allow the Kapowsin Tree farm etc to charge hunters user fees? If the WDFW does such a great job then answer me this: The WDFW micro-manages all of the game animals in the state of WA except one. The one game animal they don't do anything with other than gather harvest data is the Turkey. The turkey is by FAR the most successfull game animal to be re-introduced into WA. The problem is, is that our Commission is made up of people who don't know what they're doing. They are not professional game managers. They are not dedicated hunters, conservationists, former wildlife bio's, former Game Wardens. Nothing they are newbies in charge of running our game management. They are WAY, WAY , WAY over their heads. So of course everything is going to be mismanaged. Everything the WDFW touches is ruined. ****DISCLAIMER****When I say WDFW I mean the commission, and the GMAC. I don't mean the bio's or the wardens. There are some extremely professional people who are dedicated to their job and do an outstanding job especially with who they have to work for. It is not the WDFW that is the problem it is the men and women at the top.
I believe I get every news release they put out, by email, but I sure don't recall anything specifically listing the changes to the special permit system. If they really wanted people's input on it they should have notified us of the proposed changes and then asked for feedback. They did not do that until February and by then it was too late. Look at all the time and money they've already had to have spent on getting this complicated new system up and running. How much more are they having to pay Outdoor Central for their services? Why not just keep the drawing as simple as possible? Why does Washington State have to have the most complicated hunting permit system in the country?
Btkr, what quality bull permit are you talking about losing?
Again, I am on their email list and I get all the news releases they put out. But as I said there was nothing on the big change in the permit system this year. At least nothing that revealed the drastic changes that would be made. I did know there was going to be a separate pool for antlerless permits, and I didn't think that was a real big deal. But nothing was said about the other additional pools they would be adding: youth, senior, disabled hunter, quality, master hunter, 2nd deer tag. And, nothing was known about the stupid and extremely unfair idea of putting people's points in every one of the new categories, categories in which the points hadn't been earned. This may have been talked about at a meeting but how many people actually have time to go to those meetings? They're usually on a Friday and could be anywhere in the state. The WDFW knows that very few members of the general public attends those meetings. There is no excuse for them not making the proposed changes more available for the public to see and to comment on. They have a website, all they had to do is put it on there, just like they FINALLY did this past February. Or, how about this, somebody from the WDFW could actually come on this website and post important information such as that. Or does that just make too much sense? What about the GMAC? If they represent the hunters of this state why couldn't they have gotten the word out? Don't any of them ever log on to this website? How about an article in the newspapers? So many options, but we got nothing. Except a meeting last summer that nobody knows about and very few people would be able to attend even if they did. In these modern times with the internet and other technology it's just unbelievable that they couldn't make this information available to the public sooner than 2 months before the proposal was to be officially adopted by the Fish & Wildlife Commission. I have to believe that they intentionally kept this from the public, in fact there is no doubt in my mind.
It was written: "This may have been talked about at a meeting but how many people actually have time to go to those meetings? They're usually on a Friday and could be anywhere in the state."The meeting I went to was on a week night around 6 PM in Tacoma, and that was one of about seven cities (Spokane, Vancouver, Aberdeen, Yakima, Wenatchee, etc) they held the meetings in over the course of a couple of weeks. I have also seen notices of such meetings in the city newspaper in the sports section. I am not a stauch defender of everything the WDFW does, but dang it people, you cannot have your heads in the sand and then complain that you didn't know what was going on. If you want to know what is going on, you can find out.
Also, last summer, if you knew about all the changes, why didn't YOU post about it on this board, and encourage people to write letters and go to meetings?
The first time I saw the RESULT of their work on changing the permits was at the Western Washington Sportsmen's show at the end of January, where they were handing out full color tri-folds espousing the virtues of their new system.
