ultra long range rifles.... I found this interesting.

[carpsniperg2]

i agree bofire, but a couple of thing i have put my 25-06 and 30-06 aginst my 300 win mag and they fall short every time and down rage energy with my software saying a big jump between the 2. i have always said that a 22-250 is all i would ever need it is a killing machine. 

[shaneman153D]

Bofire, I just realized you are on the West side.  I imagine at those ranges the difference is negligible. 

[JackOfAllTrades]

I do like a lot of the technical things that Chuck writes, but I don't like it when he puts his somewhat tunnel vision opinions into his writings.

-Steve

[high country]

ok energy trajectory experts here is a quiz from a real life situation.

two elk from the same herd are standing on the same hill at the same time. two hunters are going o shoot at the same time. hunter a is launching a 100gr .257 tsx at 3700fps. hunter b is launching a 180gr scirocco at 3250fps (estimated, but close). both shots land within the lungs of their equally sized elk at a measured distance of 350 yds. what elk is drt and which elk runs 150 into the nastiest crap arond?









yes the lowly .257 was drt, the 300rum left a big mess and the elk ran off........or I guess the energy crowd might suggest the elk was thrown that far.......lol.

[MtnMuley]

ok energy trajectory experts here is a quiz from a real life situation.

two elk from the same herd are standing on the same hill at the same time. two hunters are going o shoot at the same time. hunter a is launching a 100gr .257 tsx at 3700fps. hunter b is launching a 180gr scirocco at 3250fps (estimated, but close). both shots land within the lungs of their equally sized elk at a measured distance of 350 yds. what elk is drt and which elk runs 150 into the nastiest crap arond?
yes the lowly .257 was drt, the 300rum left a big mess and the elk ran off........or I guess the energy crowd might suggest the elk was thrown that far.......lol.

Where did that outcome come from?  I am a "shot placement" type believer as being the number one factor for making dead animals, however, those who think energy isn't that important when shooting at longer ranges is.............well.............goofy. 

PS, I've wasted a lot less meat with bonded bullets out of my RUMs, than I have with non-bonded bullets out of my trusty old .270.

[high country]

well I will not reveal the locale, but I launched the 257, my pard the 308. I used to be all about the bigget fastest hardest kicking sumbitch there ever was......I am pretty sold on the wee fast tough bullet guns now. I guess a fubar shoulder does that to a guy.

[Bofire]

 :)Yep I am on the west side. I have hunted Arizona, Utah, B.C. Alaska, Montana, Colorado, Oregon and Idaho. took first deer at 7, first Moose at 12, first elk at 11, have a 7 foot black bear on my wall, big 6 point Bull, several big deer, at ranges from about 7 feet to around 700 yards (when I was young and dumb). I am not trying to brag just stating my  experience.
Carl

[JackOfAllTrades]

I am pretty sold on the wee fast tough bullet guns now.

Now.. Both animals turn at the same time. Both bullets hit two rib bones, or worse yet, both bullets hit shoulder or top of leg bone.

Which would you rather have? Light little bullet moving like mini-mouse or heavy big bullet moving like Mike Tyson's fist?

I'll take Mike's fist! Especially on big Bear.

(Don't get me wrong, I love the .270.)

-Steve

[high country]

for big bear I still grab the 375 or one of the big mags.  on poor shots.....tough call. I was unable to recover my bullet at 350yds so I would take the shot based on my expierience. I have shot one bull right in the doughnut and the 180tsx went asstoteakettle. impact velo was about 3k fps. my expierince causes me to find the best shot for me and so far, I have been able to thread the needle every time.

[Rob]

Both bullets hit two rib bones, or worse yet, both bullets hit shoulder or top of leg bone.

Which would you rather have? Light little bullet moving like mini-mouse or heavy big bullet moving like Mike Tyson's fist?

Bingo.  that's when energy makes a difference.  You can kill a moose with a 22 lr with the right shot placement, but in the woods, things don't always end up like the initial plan was laid out.  On larger game, I want the added energy. It's the basic laws of physics...

[carpsniperg2]

there are many things that make a good long range gun. but if i am going long long i will pick up the 50 any day over any other cal.

[high country]

had klaus not died, I would have been the owner of a state arms 375/50 aka the mach 5. it launched a 375 cal barnes solid at 5k fps. they were pb to 600ish yards.

[JackOfAllTrades]

375 cal barnes solid at 5k fps

Makes Hamburger, guts, skins and debones with one shot! 

So, with a 9.5 pound rifle.. I'd hate to figure out the recoil energy.

-Steve

[high country]

375 cal barnes solid at 5k fps

Makes Hamburger, guts, skins and debones with one shot! 

So, with a 9.5 pound rifle.. I'd hate to figure out the recoil energy.

-Steve

I doubt anything can be worse then my 6.5lb rig launching 180's at 3400......it was relentless on scopes and bedding.

[adam.WI]

well I will not reveal the locale, but I launched the 257, my pard the 308. I used to be all about the bigget fastest hardest kicking sumbitch there ever was......I am pretty sold on the wee fast tough bullet guns now. I guess a fubar shoulder does that to a guy.

People fall from 10 story building and survive but I'll be trusting the hundreds that die and steer clear of jumping anytime soon.

Your argument is based on a particular incident. The difference of the elk being in the middle of exhaling or inhaling is enough to skew statistics. I would say you had the better shot placement, not that your caliber is superior.

With that said if you always seem to be making better shots with the .257 that's the gun you should stick with because it works for you, not the gun that should be recommended as superior.