Elk will be gone in Idaho by 2012

[idaho guy]

So a completly different question... Possibly for BP... if you put up a high fence operation do you have to vacate animals from your property before you fence it? Is there a specific eviciton process for the states unwanted game?
Your not allowed to "Farm" deer or elk in wa.... so???

 This might (or not) answer your queston, but a guy in Id put up a high fence(he is farming elk and bison maybe deer). He had to have all the native game (deer mostly) out of there and have an inspection. If there were any left inside  the fence I was told it was a big deal as in large fine or something. I dont know how he got all the deer out but he did and they inspected it. Its a decent size area from the looks of it maybe a few hundred acres and some mountainous and heavily treed. Seems like it would have been easy for a few deer to hide.

[Bob33]

The perimeter of 40 acres is one mile of fence...160 acres = 2 miles of fence. 

And I've found anything more than about 1/4 mile of fencing work in a day with my wife in tow = bad news. 

That would be 2 miles if it was square, 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile.

It could also be 1 mile x 1/4 mile x 1 mile, x 1/4 mile. That would make a 2 1/2 mile perimeter.

Or some other shape.

I think Idahuntr is correct.

One acre is 43,560 square feet.

If the acre is square, each side is the the square root of 43,560 which is 208.7'.

If the 40 acres are a square plat, the sides are 6.32 x 6.32 acres. A side of 6.32 acres is 1320 feet ( 6.32 x 208).

If each side is 1320', the total length of fencing is 1320' x 4 = 5280' = one mile.

Bob, imagine a square 1 mile by 1 mile. That is a section or 640 acres. Now you can divide it into quarters by making 4 squares each with the dimensions of1/2 mile x 1/2 mile which is idahohuntr's example or you could divide it into 4 rectangles 1 mile x 1/4 mile each, which is my example.   1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4.   1 x 1/4 = 1/4.  Both dimensions are a 1/4 acre, but in my example the perimeter is 2 1/2 miles long or 25% longer than in idahohuntr's example.

"The perimeter of 40 acres is one mile of fence". If the property is square, that is a true statement.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

"The perimeter of 40 acres is one mile of fence". If the property is square, that is a true statement.

This is true, but many times land is not divided up into squares, but into rectangles and sometimes in odd shapes.

What is funny is, 160 acres is 4 times as large as 40 acres but if you made 160 acres square or 1/2 mile x 1/2 mile square, the perimeter is not 4 times as long as 40 acres which would be 4 miles of fence, but it is only 2 times as long or 2 miles.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

My whole point was, depending on the shape of the property in question, there could be a lot more fencing needed than the guys were figuring.

[Bob33]

My whole point was, depending on the shape of the property in question, there could be a lot more fencing needed than the guys were figuring.

That's correct. A square plat requires the least amount of fencing.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

My whole point was, depending on the shape of the property in question, there could be a lot more fencing needed than the guys were figuring.

That's correct. A square plat requires the least amount of fencing.

Actually, a round plot would, but I won't quibble over that. lol 

That's why people get paid big bucks to figure out what dimensions to make product containers. Round containers use less materials saving on cost, but they don't stack as well and take up more space than rectangular containers. Somewhere there is a guy deciding what shaped container a new product will use to save the company money by comparing material costs vs shipping and storage costs. Then they have to figure out things like volume and weight of the product too.

I think I remember reading about somebody breeding square tomatoes because they would take up less space ad ship easier.

[Bob33]

My whole point was, depending on the shape of the property in question, there could be a lot more fencing needed than the guys were figuring.

That's correct. A square plat requires the least amount of fencing.

Actually, a round plot would, but I won't quibble over that. lol 

(4679' to be precise.)

[idaho guy]

i thought this was about wolves?

[KFhunter]

Now it's about demonizing the "welfare rancher", unfortunately right or wrong people know what they know and no amount of truth or common sense is going to change their minds.

[idahohuntr]

Now it's about demonizing the "welfare rancher", unfortunately right or wrong people know what they know and no amount of truth or common sense is going to change their minds.

Demonizing? 

[Miles]

It's because of the granola eating hippies living in the mountains.  Hell even the potatoes will be gone by 2016.

[Bob33]

i thought this was about wolves?

…and logging, and grouse, and WDFW, and high fences, and new cars, and global warming, and Government grant funded scientists, and the recession of 2008, and metro buses, and supply and demand, and gas prices, and access to credit, and moon phases, and…

So what’s new?

[Miles]

i thought this was about wolves?

…and logging, and grouse, and WDFW, and high fences, and new cars, and global warming, and Government grant funded scientists, and the recession of 2008, and metro buses, and supply and demand, and gas prices, and access to credit, and moon phases, and…

So what’s new?

The potatoes.

[idahohuntr]

i thought this was about wolves?

…and logging, and grouse, and WDFW, and high fences, and new cars, and global warming, and Government grant funded scientists, and the recession of 2008, and metro buses, and supply and demand, and gas prices, and access to credit, and moon phases, and…

So what’s new?

Nothing.  ALL socio-political and economic issues are directly impacted by wolves.   

[WAcoyotehunter]

This reminds me of a Monte Python skit about swallows...  This thread should rest in peace.  It's clear that elk are not gone from Idaho.