Sub MOA my Rem. 700 - .300 Win. Mag. -- 5lb Rifle????

[h2ofowlr]

I was looking at sending in my Remington 700 action in the .300 Win. Mag. and having some work done.  Anyone know what this may run with the below options?  Looking to get down near 5lbs.

Weight 5 lbs. ( May vary depending on caliber and options)
Action Customer supplied Remington 700, then lightened and blueprinted
Bolt Fluted and handle hollowed, lapped and face trued
Barrel Match grade stainless steel Lilja, skip fluted
Muzzlebrake Included stainless Quiet Slimbrake II
Trigger Guard Hinged floorplate, customized with Pear Flat engraving and individually numbered
Bolt Shroud Aluminum hexagon
Metal Finish Black teflon with silver flutes
Stock Hand laminated blend of Kevlar/Graphite and Boron, pillar glass bedded
Pad Rifles' custom

[high country]

you are gonna need to find a smith that will be ok with chewing on th action. 5lbs on a steel 700 means no stock. you ca run a mc edge, lightened action, pin, chew the bolt and the whippiest barrel out to get to 5lbs. I have had a few 6lb guns and it is pretty light. a rem ti in a mc edge or a kimber montana in an edge is about as light as you can go without digging deep into the penny jar.

[MichaelJ]

Doubt you'll have to really do all that for a sub MOA Gun...  With a gun under or around 5 lbs, you're gonna have a TINY scope and short barrel...
If you wouldn't mind something in the 6- 6.5 lb range then I think you're combo looks pretty good...

Just curious on why the weight limitation?  With that limitation, I'd just have the action trued, and adjust the trigger and call it good... maybe a lighter scope, but it's pretty hard to get lighter than factory with increased accuracy, and a lot of stock 700's out there shoot sub MOA groups... just my  and I very well could be wrong...

Michael

[h2ofowlr]

What would the set up mentioned run approximately?  $4k

[jackelope]

and a lot of stock 700's out there shoot sub MOA groups... just my  and I very well could be wrong...

Michael

an average  700 requires work to get reliably under MOA.
I wonder what kind of groups you'd really  get shooting the barrel it takes to build a 5lb 300wm.

[MichaelJ]

an average  700 requires work to get reliably under MOA.
I wonder what kind of groups you'd really  get shooting the barrel it takes to build a 5lb 300wm.

Agreed that a lot of factory 700's don't, but every now and then you'll see an action that will shoot sub MOA or MOA.  Their actions can be a little inconsistent, I've heard more that the more consistent actions (when talking about not needing to be 'trued') are coming from Savage and Tikka, but my 700 does shoot MOA groups at 100 yards (Not sub MOA)...  It's gonna shoot better than that too once I'm done with it, but weight will be a tiny issue.  With a scope I should be around 8 lbs or so with an aftermarket barrel and rechambered in .280 Ackley.

If weight was a serious concern, I'd probably go with a short aftermarket heavy flutted barrel, superlight stock bedded with a good aluminum recoil lug (without one you aren't gaining anything over a factory stock except maybe a few ounces, and a wider channel for a heavier contour barrel, the factory stocks are already super light if they're synthetic.), true up the action and adjust the trigger and have this all done by a competent gunsmith should get him a sub MOA rifle, if he can shoot MOA groups is another thing but the gun should be capable...

Mike

[high country]

4 g's is about the begining of what it will take to get there. if you could add a few ounces or start with a ti action it could be done easier. the metalwork on the action is the killer, both in laborand accuracy. FWIW my 700ti in 270 has impressed me every day of its life, prolly why the finish is wore off of it where my hand goes. it will put 5 into 1" every time. into 1/2" pretty often too.

keep in mind a 5lb 300 is gonna lay a pop on you. the recoil force is not bad, bu the velocity is way sharp, so scopes are not likely to last long......been down that road too.

[Elk-aholic]

The Weatherby MKV Ultralightweight comes from the factory with a 1.5" or less accuracy guarantee I picked mine up for $1,500 and it shoots pretty damn good for a lightweight rifle.

[jackelope]

keep in mind a 5lb 300 is gonna lay a pop on you. the recoil force is not bad, bu the velocity is way sharp, so scopes are not likely to last long......been down that road too.

thats got to be true...

[Woodchuck]

Don't believe i would ever want to be behind a 5lb 300WM, sounds like a set of stitches comin on the express lane to me 

[whacker1]

with the right muzzlebrake it might not recoil so bad that it can't be shot.  You could also look at putting a Christensen Arms Carbon wrapped barrel to lighten your barrel up.  They also suggest the Remington TI action to get lighter.  They claim 5 1/2 - 7lbs depending upon what you do, and they also claim 3 shots inside 1/2" at 100 yards.

http://www.christensenarms.com/rifles.html

[Bob33]

No way the Christiansen in 300 WM will weigh 5.5.  It will go closer to the 7 end.

[ChesapeakeMan]

What area are you in?  From some of your other posts I got the feeling you are in the Arlington area.  That is where I am at.  If you are, then Ron Sinema would be a good guy to talk to.  He produces Benchmark Barrels and does custom work also.  A lot of people shoot some incredible groups with his barrels.  He used to work for Arnold Arms before they closed their doors.  They are located right off the freeway at exit 208 (Island Crossing, Denny's).  Sam's Gunshop in Everett has Freudenberg (?) who I hear does custom work also specializing in long range tack drivers.  Down in the Machias by the shooting range is another fella who does custom smithing with an emphasis on long range accuracy too.  I can't think of his name right now but I could find out.  A guy who has done work for me is an accomplished 1000yd shooter and has him build all his rifles.  If you want directions or contact numbers pm me.  I know it won't be easy to make a 5lb .300 Win. Mag.  One of my buddies has a Remington 700 Ti in 7mm-08 and that sucker feels super light but I think it must be 6.5 lbs or so with the scope.  If nothing else these guys are local and you could at least talk to someone face to face about your wishes.

[whacker1]

No way the Christiansen in 300 WM will weigh 5.5.  It will go closer to the 7 end

I agree Bob.  Tough to do with a long action.  might have better luck with one of the Short action magnums?  One of my friends bought a 300 wsm that Christiansen made and it is in the  5 3/4 range, but not when you top it with a scope.  I think he ends up being closer to 6 3/4 or better after scope.

[Rob]

Don't believe i would ever want to be behind a 5lb 300WM, sounds like a set of stitches coming on the express lane to me 

I have an Rem Alaskan Ti in 300 WM.  7.25 pounds loaded, with the sling, and the ultra light Leupold 3-9 scope.  It is a dream to carry.  It is pure punishment to shoot her on the range.  It has the fluted bolt and barrel and a Titanium receiver.  Not sure how you would reduce the weight much beyond that other than modify the stock in some manner.

She does kick like a mule - far worse than my 338 WM and my buddies 300 Wby Mag.  If you dropped the weight by another 2.25 pounds I think you would want to pre-book an appt for rotator cuff surgery.

[Bob33]

I have an Rem Alaskan Ti in 300 WM.  7.25 pounds loaded, with the sling, and the ultra light Leupold 3-9 scope.  It is a dream to carry.  It is pure punishment to shoot her on the range.  It has the fluted bolt and barrel and a Titanium receiver.  Not sure how you would reduce the weight much beyond that other than modify the stock in some manner.

That scope weighs 10 ounces.  Add a few ounces for the mounts, and maybe 6 ounces for the sling.  That means the gun itself is probably around 6 1/4.  A 5 pound gun would end up at around 6 with your gear.  Extremely light.

I have a Tikka T3 in 30-06 with the Leupold 3-9 Ultralight.  The gun itself is 6 lbs, 3 oz.  It is on the borderline of being "challenging" to shoot.  I can't imagine what it would be like at 5 pounds, much less if it were a 300 Magnum. 

[Rob]

Agreed.

The nice thing is, while she is a punisher on the range, I don't even feel the recoil in the field.  Gotta love the rush of excitement!

[whacker1]

add the few ounces of a muzzle brake, and you won't even mind shooting it on the range. 

[Rob]

hmmm...  that had not occurred to me....

Sounds like something to add to the list!

No to hijack the thread, but if anyone knows of a good gunsmith on the west side who has experience doing this kind of work, I'd love to have the contact info PM'd to me.

[Rick]

I'd skip the entire build and buy a NULA model 28 for $3400

5 3/4lbs before scope.

[whacker1]

Rob - pm sent

[h2ofowlr]

Once the scope is added I will probably be in the 6lb range. 

[MichaelJ]

Ok, lets first define what the heck you're goals are for this gun?  How far do you intend to shoot?  I assume it's a hunting-only gun as you'll never want to shoot that sucker at the range for long periods of time.  What are you're goals and why the huge weight limit?

Michael

[h2ofowlr]

Looking for a light rifle for packing and one that can reach out with good accuracy.  I used to shoot a lot of long range competition in the past haven't done it for about 6 years, but looking to get back into it.  Wanted to build a light rifle this time instead a 12 +lb 1000 yard rifle.
My dads friend used to work on some of our custom bench rest rifles in the past, but those aren't for packing.

[high country]

if you can get your desired weight up to about 6.5lbs all up, you can do it easily and repeatably......that last part you understand. for the $$ the ti action is a good start. I had a christensen....one was enough for me. never again.

[jackelope]

I guess I never understood the need to spend an extra $1500-2000 to save yourself a half pound. Leave something else out of your pack like a GPS or something like that.
  makes a lot more sense to me...unless you have a lot of $$ to burn.

[jackelope]

I'm not a gun guru by any stretch but what I've heard about those Christensen rifles is not too impressive to me.

[MichaelJ]

Shoot.... I'd be happy with a 7.5 lb rifle that shoots sub MOA groups with a good scope to reach out to 600-800 yards for hunting...  Agreed 110% with Jackelope, why spend the extra $$$ to save a lb?  Go check out SniperHide.com and do a search for the 300 WM hunting rifle and you'll see what a lot of guys are using...

If I were you, I'd pick up a good sporter stock with full aluminum bedding block, Rock Creek barrel, pretty sure they make a Carbon fiber wrapped barrel or they can get you a fluted barrel, call them direct and tell them your goals and they'll recommend a twist rate and length, if you're gonna be shooting the heavier bullets you're probably gonna be in the 1 in 9" twist rate range I'm guessing, and they should thread it for your muzzle brake as well, have a smith true up your action, buy a fluted bolt or have you're stock one fluted, and call it good...  Anything past this and you're getting into some SERIOUS money for not a whole lot of gains....  Just my .02

If you're gonna be shooting at any distance, you're probably gonna have a bi-pod as well which is gonna add some weight, throw in a few ounces for a good picatinny 10 or 20 MOA base from Seekins Precision in Lewiston ID as well as their 6 screw rings and top it with your scope of choice and you're good to go...  Still gonna be very manageable weight wise for carry... if you bitch about a 7 lb gun for hunting that can reach out to near or at 1000 yards then you need to grow a set... just my     

Michael

[257 Wby Mag]

I'd skip the entire build and buy a NULA model 28 for $3400

5 3/4lbs before scope./ Quote


Or a Weatherby Ultra Lightweight 300 win for $1200.00 that will shoot sub/moa. Or better yet, a 300 Roy @6 3/4lbs...

[high country]

may your ulw webby treat you better then mine. oh, and there is a big difference in the handling dept between a  stock rem ti and the ulw......winner ti in my hands. I was going to try to stock mine in an edge to get it down to where the ti was, but the groups never did much better then an inch, so I was not about to drop a bunch of $ to lighten it up

[257 Wby Mag]

They do, all 3 of em. Love the stocks, wouldn't change em out..

[MikeWalking]

The best way to lighten any rifle with no decrease in performance?  

Spend your late teens and early 20's humping an M60 across the Tundra or from Pacific to Atlantic through Panama.  Occasionally trade it for a PRC77 23lb backpack radio or a 90mm Recoilless Rifle. (wow I'm old!) I was soooo happy when all I had to carry was just a plain old M16..

After all that I just don't have it in me to be interested in making a hunting rifle weigh less than 7-8lbs. I just can't complain about a rifle being heavy, especially if it's a major round.  The 45-70 I pack to Alaska is 7.5 loaded with 6rds of 430gr thumpers. I wouldn't want it any lighter.

I've known guys that would spend $1000 to shave 2lbs off a bicycle but still eat junk and gulp beer like there's no tomorrow.

[littlemac]

I've known guys that would spend $1000 to shave 2lbs of a bicycle but still eat junk and gulp beer like there's no tomorrow.

I always figured it was easier from me to loose a few than worry about my Weatherby's being lighter.  It seems almost every time I'm hunting with someone and we come to a crossing (fence etc) and we hold each others rifles, I get some comment about how damned heavy my rifle is.  I guess I just never noticed it.

Now if I were to go goat/sheep hunting I do believe I'd be looking for a lighter rifle for sure.

[whacker1]

I figure that I have 50 + lbs to give up before I spend a lot to lighten a rifle.

If I do get drawn for a goat permit, I would probably be looking to lighten the pack, and willing to spend some money to do it.

[MikeWalking]

I figure that I have 50 + lbs to give up before I spend a lot to lighten a rifle.

um? uh?  mmm?  me too  

Of course if I had just won the Lotto...I'd be looking for a 5lb rifle with a 100x moonscope that could fire a 250gr titanium bullet out to 3 miles with only 6in of drop...oh and with a silencer too

If I said what for the Secret Service would be here..

[Alchase]

Why spend 4k to build what you can buy for $1500.00
Sako Finlight, 300 win mag, 6 13/16lbs,

http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Finnlight.pdf

From the factory with sub MOA, 5 round group target included, signed by shooter.

There are plenty of guns less then 4k that shoot sub MOA.

[jackelope]

Why spend 4k to build what you can buy for $1500.00
Sako Finlight, 300 win mag, 6 13/16lbs,

http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Finnlight.pdf

From the factory with sub MOA, 5 round group target included, signed by shooter.

There are plenty of guns less then 4k that shoot sub MOA.

He wants a 5 pound rifle though, not an almost 7 pound rifle.

[Alchase]

oops,

[WDFW-SUX]

I have a 300 wby that weighs 7 1/4 lbs loaded it shoots sub moa all day.     The lightest Rifle that Ive seen that was a shooter had a Lilja 1# contour barrel and Sako action it was 5.7lbs.. that was a 300mag.  It was like a bomb to shoot.

[Rob]

It was like a bomb to shoot.

I writting that one down!