Lying SOB WDFW!

[Jerry]

The WDFW said that they needed to reduce the anterless harvest in the Yakima elk herd )(GMU 578 I'm talkin about). So, they have restricted it to 3 point or better. Here's the anterless take for the past 3 years:

Now I'm only talking modern firearm season:
2006 - 49
2007 - 59
2008 - 51 

In 2008 there were 16 animals taken that were more than 3 point...8-4 points, 7-5 points & 1-6-point. No data out yet on 2009 & I can't find it broken down for horns.

So...to REDUCE the take of anterless elk from the Yakima herd, what was WDFW's solution? Hmmm...to make 150 cow tags available for the 2010 rifle season for elk in GMU 578! In the past three years there's been 160 taken altogether and now they're gonna giveout, I mean sell, a 150 cow tags?!? WTF??

This ain't about reducing the take..it's about revenue. Why don't they just tell the damn truth for once. Lying *censored*s.

Jerry

[Curly]

Well, you have to look at the expected success rate for the permits.  If they figure on a 33% success rate, then they expect about 50 animals to be taken.

But, I do agree with you assessment.......they are lying *censored*s.

[bobcat]

I would figure only 5 to 10 percent for a success rate, so with that you'd be looking at 15 cow elk being harvested, at the most, out of 150 permits. So that is quite a reduction.

[bearpaw]

How many tags were issued in previous years, that will tell you if they are cutting back on harvest?

[bobcat]

I believe 578 has previously been open for antlerless elk during the general season, so special permit necessary.

[Bob33]

0 antlerless permits in 578 in 2009.  General season modern firearm was "Any Elk".

[alanger]

0 antlerless permits in 578 in 2009.  General season modern firearm was "Any Elk".

WOW, well they may be making cow elk permit only but heck, 150 permits is still alot,

[Jerry]

How many tags were issued in previous years, that will tell you if they are cutting back on harvest?

The unit has been a fur tag/any elk unit for, oh, around 20 years or so, I reckon. A fur tag unit doesn't mean it's any easier to find the slippery buggers.

The WDFW has been trying to mess this unit up for the past 4-5 years or so, both with elk & blacktail. They are idjits! I really doubt that, outside of enforcement officers, that any of them leave the office except at quitting time!

Jerry

[alanger]

How many tags were issued in previous years, that will tell you if they are cutting back on harvest?

The unit has been a fur tag/any elk unit for, oh, around 20 years or so, I reckon. A fur tag unit doesn't mean it's any easier to find the slippery buggers.

The WDFW has been trying to mess this unit up for the past 4-5 years or so, both with elk & blacktail. They are idjits! I really doubt that, outside of enforcement officers, that any of them leave the office except at quitting time!

Jerry

Thats not the only unit!

[bobcat]

I don't see the problem. They needed to reduce antlerless elk harvest, and that is what they are doing by taking that out of the general season and making it a permit only hunt.

Is it that you don't believe the elk herd needs to be reduced in that area? Or you think 150 permits is not going to reduce the harvest enough?

[rackattack]

My understanding is that the WDFW is changing management strategies in these units (568, 574, 578).  Before they were managed strictly for blacktail deer, and now they are going to switch or even it out for elk.  Bobcat is pretty close on the 5-10 percent success rate for these hunts.  That being said it should give you a harvest of around 10-20 cows, which is a reduction from previous years.  Personally I think this is a good move as it will turn these units into good elk hunts in a few years, and will add animals to surrounding units in the national forest which are in decline. 

[bearpaw]

I agree with bobcat on this, I wished they would do the same thing in NE WA instead of having wide open any elk. Our herd would do much better.

[Elkaholic daWg]

  Sure hope we get that Selkirk moose permit before that.........Oh wait, it's any bull. Still would be a great draw before things change!

[elksnout]

The WDFW said that they needed to reduce the anterless harvest in the Yakima elk herd )(GMU 578 I'm talkin about). So, they have restricted it to 3 point or better. Here's the anterless take for the past 3 years:

Now I'm only talking modern firearm season:
2006 - 49
2007 - 59
2008 - 51 

In 2008 there were 16 animals taken that were more than 3 point...8-4 points, 7-5 points & 1-6-point. No data out yet on 2009 & I can't find it broken down for horns.

So...to REDUCE the take of anterless elk from the Yakima herd, what was WDFW's solution? Hmmm...to make 150 cow tags available for the 2010 rifle season for elk in GMU 578! In the past three years there's been 160 taken altogether and now they're gonna giveout, I mean sell, a 150 cow tags?!? WTF??

This ain't about reducing the take..it's about revenue. Why don't they just tell the damn truth for once. Lying *censored*s.

Jerry

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Isn't 578 { and 568,574 } part of the St Helens elk herd ? I always thought it was ??

[nw_bowhunter]

Intersting theory...attempt to reduce the harvest by adding more permit tags while increasing revenue. I'm assume this means for the general season no cow tags only permits?