Need your ideas

[yelp]

    Go get em!

[carpsniperg2]

  kinda look's like the one on your profile

[wapiti hunter2]

You know,  the beef you buy from the store is feed lot fed, the chicken in big sheds.  Whats the big hypocritical bashing.  It may be like fishing in a stock pond but it can be fun for some people and may help to turn on some younger people to our great sport. I for one have no problem filling my freezer with a couple of these.  I agree, however it is more like shooting than hunting.

[RileyTDF]

I was going to stay out of this considering what has already been sad..but I cant stop thinking about it....people spend hundreds on "planted" pheasants ... explain to me the difference?

[ICEMAN]

There is no difference.

If it is legal (and I do not know if it is...or not) let folks take the opportunity. No need to bash each other over the issue. I am sure there is someone out there willing to look down their nose at any of the hunters on here, for various reasons. We all just need to keep it civil without any insults or prodding.

[LITTLEBUCK]

I really apologize for even putting this on this site because I knew I would get the comments from some that I have. Yelp I have no problem with the way you feel about the subject, it was expected, and I like your picture. All I will say, if someone were to go to this property expecting to kill a turkey you are way off base. It has been done before, (I will use this word) hunted for the weekend and no bird. Yelps picture of the barnyard full of turkeys does not fit this place. Are there turkeys by the barn? you bet. Are there turkeys by the barn in Collville? you bet.
For those of you that may show some interest feel free to PM me and I can get your info to the property owners and you can go from there.  Thanks for your comments and Ideas.

[rasbo]

dont blame the site,you will always get different opinions anywhere..Pursue your Idea its a good one to possibly get someone out,that might not be able to, or get a kid hooked on the outdoors..GO FOR IT..

[LITTLEBUCK]

Rasbo, your right, I knew I would get the negative responces that came and understand totally. These people came to me because they knew I turkey hunted, so I wanted to throw this out there. I guess what I really need to know is how to find out who, what and where to contact regarding regulations of this issue. I don't want anyone getting in trouble including property owners. Thanks

[yelp]

I guess it comes down to the individual.  I took out a disabled hunter and two youth hunters this year turkey hunting and we didn't get anything but we had a great time chasing the wild turkey.  The stocked pond analogy was poor taste on my part.  There is a fine line hunters use to decide what is fair chase, ethical and legal.  All come into play with each situation and the individual..in how they are brought up and taught as young hunters and by who (grandpa the road hunting open container deer hunter for ex.  LOL.)..If we are the mentors we need to be clear of what we teach the youth and other hunters.  Conservation of the wild turkey doesn't include hunting escapees from a farmers barnyard..is my point.  The wild turkey management plan doesn't include management objectives for hunting domesticated turkeys.

Yes it is clearly an opportunity for someone to shoot a turkey who may never ever get to.  They are poultry and can be harvested at anytime..go for it.   The state has made it illegal to raise deer, elk, etc.. Turkeys maybe next..with the issues of disease transference, etc. At least the ability to maintain the flock fencing, cages, etc..)

Pheasant release sites are legal, fair chase (??)..opportunities yes.  The WDFW will do anything to retain license dollars..pimping out cookie cutter products for the masses seems to be the current direction..trout plants, pheasant releases.  

Like I said previously..it is the experience we retain and call upon when we need direction for the next time we go out or when we need to teach our kids.  You never read in outdoor life..hunting the barnyard turkey by craig boddington, or running and gunning domesticated turkeys...  No more on this from me..sorry to offend anyone but that is my

[BPturkeys]

Littlebuck, sorry I came on so harsh, it's just that many hunters feel very strongly about canned and high fence type hunts that many of us just have to jump in and try to separates our sport from such activities.  You clearly are a good person with the best of intentions and perhaps this opportunity isn't just another canned type hunt. I am sure there are legitimate opportunities that would enable handy capped and first time youth hunters a chance to get a taste of hunting. If run correctly I am sure these opportunities can happen. Maybe we need to develop a new name for these legitimate "handy cap/youth hunts. Maybe we could call them something along the lines of "Limited Prospective"  or "Limited Reality"...I don't know. Any way, thanks for the posting and by all means don't leave the sight, it is a great place to have these types of conversations.

[Wacenturion]

This discussion all comes down to one thing.......what do you as sportsmen consider as or desire from hunting and what do you pass on to the next generation as your contribution.  With this issue it doesn't matter if it's turkeys, pheasants or whatever.  There will always be an element of the hunting community who think that pen raised, farm raised, game farm stock released birds or even animals are indeed acceptable or in some cases as good as the real thing.

Then there's the other side which feel just the opposite. 

Which side is right.  That's a personal question I guess, as no one is going to convince someone otherwise.  The danger however is accepting something that is inherently wrong to begin with.  First the birds were established illegally, and in many or even most cases these types of releases from "helpful hands" to created someones own turkey mecca, at least in their mind, creates problems.

First....as I said, it's illegal.  Second, it puts game farm stock, tame birds out in an area.  It potentially could lead to disease problems to existing flocks or domestic flocks.  It could hybridize Easterns in the area if there were some and interbreeding took place.  It promotes something vastly different from true turkey hunting for adults and kids alike.  Do you as sportsman even consider the years of efforts and costs involved and battles fought to create what we all as turkey hunters have today with three different subspecies in our state?  Just to be able to release Easterns into western Washington required extensive meetings and years of testing birds to to satisfy the poultry industry and the Wa. Dept. of Ag.  Wonder if this person who released these birds did so............NOT.  Hope his efforts never cause a local turkey or chicken farmer a problem, as he might have a mountain of liability awaiting.

If you accept this or anything similar to this pertaining to releases of turkey game farm stock as a legit and meaningful way of helping sportsmen now or in the future, you are kidding yourself.  Comparing this to pheasant releases is like apples and oranges.  WDFW charges a fee, rears pheasants and releases them for the purpose of providing some pheasant opportunity on the west side where none would occur if if were not done.  WDFW also allows individuals to release pheasant and other upland birds, like quail and partridge.

We as sportsman have a responsibility to monitor and defend our outdoor heritage.  As I said before it's a personal thing.  I'm not telling anyone what they should or should not do when it comes to how you view your pastime.  Just consider though what you accept and hold up to others, especially future hunters.  I think Yelp said it best when he said......... 

"I would rather have a disabled or youth hunter see the joys of turkey hunting..making the call, hearing the gobble, the back and forth, there is more to a hunt than a kill."

For what it's worth I agree.  One last thing..........this sounds more like somebody creating an opportunity to charge folks under the guise of taking kids or handicap folks as well as others paying trespass fees to hunt.  Come on folks, who are we kidding here anyway.

[carpsniperg2]

There is no difference.

If it is legal (and I do not know if it is...or not) let folks take the opportunity. No need to bash each other over the issue. I am sure there is someone out there willing to look down their nose at any of the hunters on here, for various reasons. We all just need to keep it civil without any insults or prodding.

very well summed up iceman to each there own by there own choice if it is legal and they are people that contribute to our sport let sleeping dogs lie and move on.

[NWTFhunter]

Wacenturion, well said.  BUT stating that he broke the law by obtaining birds is a strech!  Anyone can purchase game birds in this state. Yes, he should have managed them much better though.

[Wacenturion]

Wacenturion, well said.  BUT stating that he broke the law by obtaining birds is a strech!  Anyone can purchase game birds in this state. Yes, he should have managed them much better though.

NWTFHunter.........I never said he broke the law by obtaining birds.  What I said was...............


"First the birds were established illegally, and in many or even most cases these types of releases from "helpful hands" to created someones own turkey mecca, at least in their mind, creates problems."

Never said that one could not purchase game farm turkeys for their own use which is legal.  However individuals that do so cannot release them to the wild.  By law they have to be confined, like in a pen or other type of enclosure.  So no stretch whatsoever.

[Wacenturion]

There is no difference.

If it is legal (and I do not know if it is...or not) let folks take the opportunity. No need to bash each other over the issue. I am sure there is someone out there willing to look down their nose at any of the hunters on here, for various reasons. We all just need to keep it civil without any insults or prodding.

very well summed up iceman to each there own by there own choice if it is legal and they are people that contribute to our sport let sleeping dogs lie and move on.

Probably would be legal under the current regs to hunt them, although you better have a tag and license.  However it was illegal to release and establish them.  Believe me carpsniperg2, this is no contribution by any means.  It does you and every other turkey hunter a disservice in the long run in several ways.  In my opinion it goes back to the basic question, the hunt or the kill.  It's an individual choice that one makes.