Preference point opinion?

[Bob33]

2200 a pop, plus you can't pu t in for deer or elk if you put in for OIL AND you can only put in for one OIL per year is what gives Idaho their odds.

True, but you actually get to hunt for moose once in your lifetime! 

[sneakysneaky]

Bob33 has the idea.   

[SkookumHntr]

Are State has by far the worst special hunt system, It seems like they try to make draw odds worse Im sure everybody has heard me say this a million times but I cant stand that Puke Dave Ware, He needs to get *censored* canned asap for ruining are permit system!

[Alan K]

So long as I have a chance to draw each year putting in, even if it is 1/250 the chance someone with max points has, I'm happy. 

[Curly]

Im sure everybody has heard me say this a million times but I cant stand that Puke Dave Ware, He needs to get *censored* canned asap for ruining our permit system!

I agree.    Let's hope he's up for early retirement.

[sneakysneaky]

"Are State has by far the worst special hunt system, It seems like they try to make draw odds worse Dunno"

Well that's just good business, right?. less inexpensive special draw tags and more raffle hunts that generate a $#@* pot of money per animal offered.?!  Seems like it's more about $ than game manage :bash:ment.....

[Dansk]

Know a guy who drew moose a few years back.. husband of a lady I work with... not a hunter and drew his first time.  Yes- he harvested a moose.

The only way to ensure your draw something every once in a while is to play the field and put in for out of state tags (or as many as you can afford).  Wash residence odds are often way, way lower than many non-res tags in close states.

[BENCHLEG]

i will put it this way WDFW SUCKS.

[hornhunter]

Hey everyone. i just put in for the washington special draws and was wondering how many points any of you had when you drew a moose, goat or sheep tag? I have seven pref. points for all three and am wondering if it will actually help or is it just blind luck?

I know someone who has been putting in for Moose, goat and sheep for 30+ years and has never drawn. I also knew a guy a few years back that drew moose with 1 point.

LUCK of the drawmy friend. Luck of the draw.

I cant even draw a decent elk tag with 7 points. I gave up on moose, goat and sheep along time ago!

30 years huh?  Looks like he was putting in before the system even existed.  Or sombody is

[shanevg]

Hey everyone. i just put in for the washington special draws and was wondering how many points any of you had when you drew a moose, goat or sheep tag? I have seven pref. points for all three and am wondering if it will actually help or is it just blind luck?

I know someone who has been putting in for Moose, goat and sheep for 30+ years and has never drawn. I also knew a guy a few years back that drew moose with 1 point.

LUCK of the drawmy friend. Luck of the draw.

I cant even draw a decent elk tag with 7 points. I gave up on moose, goat and sheep along time ago!

30 years huh?  Looks like he was putting in before the system even existed.  Or sombody is

Just because the point system didn't exist, doesn't mean people couldn't apply for hunts.  How else do people have multiple WA goats?  Maybe you should check your facts before you call people liars. 

[Elkstuffer]

I've mounted over 50 sheep, 10 moose and 4 goats from WA. Not one of those people had max points. The majority of them had less than 5 points and a couple were drawn on there first try. Our system does not work. It is mainly luck on getting a low RANDOM number assigned to you!

[bobcat]

30 years huh?  Looks like he was putting in before the system even existed.  Or sombody is

What's the matter, you don't remember applying for special permit hunts before the point system? I was applying for special permits at least 10 years before the point system started in 1996. Special permits have been in this state for a long time before 1996.

[Bob33]

sombody is

You're right about that, but I don't think it's the guy that's been putting in for 30 years.  I go back farther than that.

Some of you guys really crack me. "Our point system doesn't work" because someone with 1 point got drawn, while someone with 10 points (and 100 names in the hat) didn't.  Having more points doesn't guarantee you will draw, it simply improves the odds.  Which would you rather have (a) more names in the hat, or (b) less names in the hat?  It's really not too hard of a question, is it?

[bobcat]

I've mounted over 50 sheep, 10 moose and 4 goats from WA. Not one of those people had max points. The majority of them had less than 5 points and a couple were drawn on there first try. Our system does not work. It is mainly luck on getting a low RANDOM number assigned to you!

I disagree with the part I put in bold. The system does work, or should I say DID work. It was just fine before they changed it this year. The only other way to do it is an actual preference point system, which if we had that just as many people would complain as they do now. The difference would be a young person just starting out would not have a chance in hell of ever drawing any of the most popular permit hunts. I do think that with moose, bighorn sheep, and goat permits they shouldn't use a point system at all as it doesn't help when there aren't enough permits relative to the number of people applying to cycle through people's points fast enough.

[boneaddict]

ONE WAY TO FIX IT.  You mimick Idahos system, One OIL species choice at a time, and if you choose OIL you can't put in for special deer or elk  hunts. FRONT the money, and you get ONE choice.    In order to not whipe everyones points, you can let people keep their current points.  I'd rather there were none, but many would be pissed changing it after gathering them for 14 years.