Preference point opinion?

[Curly]

guess Im an Idiot

Thanks for owning up to your stupid comments before you did your research. I forgive you for calling me  Beleive me it was not the first time and it wont be the last.

And trust me there are many people in this state that have been putting in for goat for 30+ years.

Yep... I will be on the sidlines from here on out.  409. 

What's the matter? You can't handle being told when you are wrong? That's the nice thing about this board is you can learn from others. I've been told I was wrong many times on here. And a couple of times I think I've even been called a moron.      

Bobcat, I've been meaning to apologize for calling you a moron.......

[Dmanmastertracker]

 "Some of you guys really crack me. "Our point system doesn't work" because someone with 1 point got drawn, while someone with 10 points (and 100 names in the hat) didn't.  Having more points doesn't guarantee you will draw, it simply improves the odds.  Which would you rather have (a) more names in the hat, or (b) less names in the hat?  It's really not too hard of a question, is it?"


 Bob, I do see your point, it is more complex than that, however my angst with the current system is that really the better tags are OIL on average, people get drawn once every 18-20 years and if lucky twice in their lifetime (so I suppose in some cases "TIL" . Nonetheless, if the overall draw averages for the quality hunts went up, I think people could better stomach the 1 pointers getting drawn, but that is not likely to ever happen.

[provider]

Another thing sort of on the side. . . I really wish they'd publish the number of names in the hat for each hunt rather than the number of applicants.  The number of applicants doesn't tell you anything about the draw odds really, because each applicant could have their name in the hat anywhere from like 1-250 times.  (I'd like to see that number for everything, not just the OIL)

http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2009/species_summary.html

[Bob33]

my angst with the current system is that really the better tags are OIL on average, people get drawn once every 18-20 years and if lucky twice in their lifetime (so I suppose in some cases "TIL" . Nonetheless, if the overall draw averages for the quality hunts went up, I think people could better stomach the 1 pointers getting drawn, but that is not likely to ever happen.

That would be nice, except there are only a handful of OIL tags for thousands of applicants.  There are 15 mountain goat permits this year.  Last year there were over 30,000 applications.  The odds are terrible: around 1 in 1000 on average.  Overall, the odds cannot improve without more goat permits being offered.  It's not the draw system's fault.  The fact is that the very large majority (probably over 98 percent) of those who apply for a Washington mountain goat permit will NEVER draw one, so OIL is really NOIL in Washington.  Only 15 permits will be given out this year, so the vast majority of applicants will not draw, including those with lots of bonus points.

[boneaddict]

THink how the guy with 20 deer points felt when he didn't draw. LOL   

Some changes need to be made to weed out the OIL trash.  Again I suggest Idaho's system.  Then if you are serious and I mean SERIOUS about goat or sheep, then you actually have a chance to draw it in your lifetime.  OTHERWISE...its just lotto odds. 

[Elkstuffer]

 

[Bigshooter]

Nowhere does it say you WILL draw once in your lifetime.  It says you CAN'T be drawn more than once in your lifetime.  The draw is like a game some win most lose.  Changing the way the game is played will not help 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% of the people that apply for the big 3.  Only about .00000000000000000000000000000001% of the people that play win.

[Bob33]

Again I suggest Idaho's system.  Then if you are serious and I mean SERIOUS about goat or sheep, then you actually have a chance to draw it in your lifetime.  OTHERWISE...its just lotto odds.  

Here are draw odds for Idaho tags in 2009:
                         Moose       Goat     Sheep
Permits                           306            46     63
Non resident applicants      165    173   923
Non residents drawn   20             4      5
Odds, 1 in:                 8     43   185

[MtnMuley]

in this state more bling luck seen my cosuins little bro draw a moose tag with no points first time putting in

This cracks me up!  Wouldn't this be your "cosuin" too?...

Back to the subject.  I agree with bones thoughts on a SERIOUS OIL system.  Our system offers everybody the possibility of a moment of excitment as the results get posted.  More for some, and less for others.  I have never known this state to really try and manage wildlife to the full extent , and be concerned more with revenue generated that anything else.  This system and its modifications do just that.  Hell, I have max points in all OILs, more than max in Elk, and I still don't plan on drawing.  Guess that's not too positive of thinking when you only put in for 1 hunt choice in all, but building a point every year still gives you the thought of "next year the odds are going to be even better".   My overall opinion is that this state is going to continue to do whatever it takes to generate the maximum amount of revenue (reguardless of the effects on it's wildlife), and continue to give everybody anticipation that it may be their year, with 1 point or 20 pts.........

[boneaddict]

I think you are wrong Bigshooter.  Look at those odds.   

[WDFW-SUX]

I dont even pay attention to what I apply for on OIL hunts... I just go with fate.  I figure the less thought I give it the more likely it is that the cosmos will reward me.

The odds on washington OIL tags is so bad it sickening...I bet 49 degrees north has 20,000 apps this year.... Yet we all still line up for the kick in the nuts.

The part that really pisses me off is they know that the new changes are going to wreck the already bad odds for OIL tags... Why not limit OIL apps to two choices? its good enough for the quality tags?? 

[MtnMuley]

Why not limit OIL apps to two choices? its good enough for the quality tags?? 

Exactly.  Or better yet, 1.

[Alan K]

And all those Idaho guys had a 0% chance to draw deer, elk, and the other OIL tags!

Again, I'll take a greatly reduced chance at the OILs if it means I can still put my name in the hat for other species.

[WDFW-SUX]

There are some real *censored*s around...

[Alan K]

They way I figure it, I'm young and have plenty of years ahead of me to draw.  If I don't, when I get close to an age where I think I might not be physically fit enough to do one of the OILs I'll go buy a hunt in Canada or Alaska to get it done.