How many nets do you see?

[sisu]

Blame the Indian nets for part but let's start putting blame also on population explosion on the westside, small feeder streams disappearing, river banks over run etc all these help clean river water for eggs, how about all those chemicals I see neighbors using on their un-naturally enhanced green lawn, trees that clean water before it soaks into the ground being removed for a view or to be replaced with nothing...oh I could go on and on. Look around folks wild life needs habitat no matter what you say habitat (good quality) is disappearing, so don't put 100% blame on the Native American look instead in the mirror and you'll see why wild life is disappearing in high population areas.

[runamuk]

For everyone who "Bales" nets..... when this happens to the natives all they do is call the WDFG to come and see the nets. If this happens too much the state will either allocated more catch to the natives or possibly extend their season. In a sense its being penny wise and pound foolish plus I'm not about to get shot at over something like this. To each their own so i will put down the pen and let this alone now. 

First thanks for all of your very interesting posts I did not know any of that about netting.  I appreciate this last statement I think as annoyed as we get we really dont want to turn ourselves into the bad guy.  I am happy to hear you caught the idiots bleaching it blows my mind how stupid people can be and how damn greedy they are

Conservation like Sisu mentions starts at home.  Sure I am a greenie I like to grow organically I like to use sustainable methods over reaching for the chemicals but when I also have a serious problem I will use what is most effective then continue on being green if thats what you want to call it.  I grew up being taught that it just makes good sense to give a crap about the environment and to never be greedy.  My son caught some big fish already this season i have plenty in the freezer he is now on strict catch and release we don't need more fish let some other people catch a few I call it sharing

those nets do not look good spread across the river when they supposedly closed it to pole fishing...so lets find ways to emphasize this aspect make the issue of closed due to numbers for one segment of the population..discriminating ...the way i read the Boldt they are supposed to get their % of the available game if that river is closed to angler it should be closed to nets because there are not enough fish to divide so it actually isn't upholding the decision it is giving special treatment to one group of people over another ??

[jeepasaurusrex]

That looks like the Skagit above Woolley. The indians in Concrete are not supposed to net above the Dalles Bridge. One day a friend and I went to go fishing from our favorite spot about 5 miles up stream and here are two nets tied up to the bank right where we were gonna fish. We were 

Since there was no one watching them and they were in an illegal spot, we pulled them. They had several fish that had been in the net for a couple of days. We tossed them back as they were no good. The nets were piled on the bank, had gas dumped on them and set on fire. 

[BigGoonTuna]

Blame the Indian nets for part but let's start putting blame also on population explosion on the westside, small feeder streams disappearing, river banks over run etc all these help clean river water for eggs, how about all those chemicals I see neighbors using on their un-naturally enhanced green lawn, trees that clean water before it soaks into the ground being removed for a view or to be replaced with nothing...oh I could go on and on. Look around folks wild life needs habitat no matter what you say habitat (good quality) is disappearing, so don't put 100% blame on the Native American look instead in the mirror and you'll see why wild life is disappearing in high population areas.

i don't live in a high population area.  i agree that development, bad forestry practices, pollution etc are a big problem in those places, but i live on the coast and the #1 factor is HARVEST.  we've got the quinault tribe netting 6 or 7 days a week for steelhead, and it's pretty hard to say it doesn't have a major impact when the nets do come out and fish flood into the rivers.

[upwind]

Evan in Alaska were i was for the last 30 years and fish and commercial fished for many of those years and you can definitely tell when they have the nets in the rivers not just natives or commercial fisherman have nets in Alaska but any resident can get a sub-sitant permit were you can dip net or use a Seine and you can get your quota for that year did it effect the rivers for very long no very well managed by the state do i think the chemicals we put in the waters hurt yes i also think that all those dam sealions and seals are the worst offender they should let the natives harvest theme like they use to .Also would be nice to thin out some comrants.

[h2ofowlr]

Quickest way to decimate the runs on the smaller rivers to net the crap out of them.  You think they would learn, but I guess the dams are the best escape goat.   

[MuleySniper]

The indians netted 6800 just out of Drano lake on Thursday. I hear sportsman get 1.5%, whitey commercial gets 1.5% and the indians get 10% of the run.
MS

[BigGoonTuna]

they should just shut down all fishing, netting for salmon and steelhead no matter what anyone says for at least a year tops and then look at the numbers?? send each tribe fish form the slaughter grounds of alaska in  the years that the fishing is off limits. make it an even yr for the tribes and an odd for no netting? everyones ideas sound great but were talking about the gov and tribes. we will see next to no fish at all before anything sensable happens watch and see 

that might work on the coast, but in the puget sound rivers i don't think it would really help.  there's been zero sport harvest for over 10 years(more like 20 on most rivers) and the runs are still going downhill.  i don't think most of them are coming back, either.  the nisqually has probably some of the best habitat out of all the puget sound rivers and one of the worst fish returns.

[Sneaky]

I called the head of bottomfish management for some clarification on one of the new rules this year, and asked her what the department had done to limit commercial and tribal fishing in addition to reaming the sport fishermen. She said there is no commercial fishing in washington inside 100 fathoms, and that the tribal fishery is "simply up to the tribes". In other words, they can do what ever they feel like doing. Get used to the nets, as long as the state and the department are willing to bend over for the tribes they aren't going anywhere.

[jeepasaurusrex]

The Skagit is all but dead. Nothing like it was 20-30 years ago. 

[alan]

i agree with the hay bales its retarded that the states and local areas all around talk *censored* about the white man segregating and profiling on us talkin about wanting us for them to get rid of the nets. in all honesty either let the white man fish with nets also or grow the *censored* up stupid indians this is the twentieth century now we wear clothes n *censored* now and have rods n reels to catch the fish. i say one and all not one then some.

[Little Dave]

I don't care for the interpretations of Indian culture.  They had games of chance; build a casino.  They set forests on fire to chase game into a bottleneck; excessive take.  They also took slaves, killed their doctors when a cure wasn't forthcoming.  Is that next?

[alan]

i dont understand how its unlawfull for us to just to head up to the hills and get a deer or alk or whatever but its ok for them to ruin our herd and return numbers and we are the ones looked at for over consumption, did some work for and indian guy and was on the job about 3 weeks before finishing, seen at least 20 elk and like ten deer brought in wtf how is this still goin on

[meathunter]

I definitely think that the treaties need to be amended. Whats your guys opinion on that? Will it ever happen in our life time? This you get half we get half and usual and accustom hunting grounds in my opinion is B.S.
We are all held as stewards of the land, our river fisheries for salmon and steelhead are in trouble and nothing changes in tribal netting? I don't think i will ever be able to rap my head around that.

[buckhorn2]

Stop at North Bonnieville and see what there catching with sport poles using tuna balls for bait. You would not believe how many fish.