food. if your not seeing things for them to eat you wont find um. keep at it. i hunted about 17-18 days and was up souting every other day about since i drew the permit. not to mention the fact that I'm just plain up there all year anyway. persistence will pay off. when you've got that feeling like you just don't want to go hike up that hill one more time or wade through all that devils club and brush anymore, that's when you go harder. the more it hurts the better it feels when you connect. thought maybe you could use a little pep talk. i know i needed one. thanks again Jim