How Much Speed is Enough?

[coachcw]

ok this is the currant set up no kidding , I have a tubrotech with #100 limbs at 30 inch draw . I shoot it last night at 92lbs it will go to 96 lbs , with a 2419 and a 100 tip it wieghed 607 grains and shot 282 fps thats  107 kkkE.  with a 150 tip it shot 274 at 555 at 96 lbs it shoots a 670 at 274. I shot a fullmedal dangerous game with a wieght tube wieghing 950  grains 229 fps it made right 113 ke. So put your bs smiles where you want and  i'll prove it , Why should I bs you , It's a killer combo and i use it in the wind and or brush where the heavy arrows an advantage . It's not my problem that some pansies can't pull 100 lbs . the realizism is the alhpa burner at 80 lbs almost has the same numbers. sorry tyo burst you nay sayers bubbles.

[Button Nubbs]

I probably wont ever be able to pull a 100lb bow. call me a pansy if you want but at least i know my shoulders are gonna be around for a long time...

[coachcw]

No slam intened nubs just didn't care for the bs remarks I got . I also shoot a 70lbs bow , the old 96er just fits a certin purpose. my shoulders feel fine btw.

[coachcw]

Some one metioned a spine issue and thats right , thats why i shoot the 2419's the 300 fmjs are a little light and i have concerns with broad head flight . i found that a litgher arrow with to little spine accually slowed down a bit verse a slightly stiffer shaft.

[konrad]

Thanks for the explanation.
Us mere mortals were wondering how you got to those figures.
I supposed you were in the “hundreds of pounds” draw weight. My damaged hands could never handle those forces. For me, it would be physical abuse.

I have never experienced the shoulder issues referred to by many, it has always been the hand (drawing/releasing). Over the years, work and finger tabs just took their toll.

It appears you are truly shooting the 375 Holland and Holland of bows!

[coachcw]

I like to hold poundage I feel a little more stable with more holding wieght. It's all good.

[yakimarcher]

I shoot late 90's 80# martin cougar with a 525 gr arrow it's around 260 fps. and thats plenty fast.

[coachcw]

nothing wrong with the couger . they were more forgiving than the furys and with a 26 strand string and 525's she'll live all year . I'll say these new bows are really nice to shoot and have my eye's on a g5 for my self , I wish i could get on in 80 lbs.

[Dmanmastertracker]

Here is mine... arrow weight 385 grns speed 321 fps
321*321= 103041 / 450240 = 0.22885794243 * 385= 88.11 ft lbs of Kinetic Energy... that's MORE THAN ENOUGH
 



 -I guess I'm currently at 73.177 ft lbs kkke. The rig I would like to buy would go to 88.15 ft lbs.

[coachcw]

your bow would have to be 62 lbs to be leagal , how do get 321 at 62 lbs. isn't 6 grains per pound the rule by the wdfw ? or isn't that the law now ?

[konrad]

your bow would have to be 62 lbs to be leagal , how do get 321 at 62 lbs. isn't 6 grains per pound the rule by the wdfw ? or isn't that the law now ?

six grains per pound of draw
40 pounds draw minimum at 28 inch draw length or greater
arrow weight minimun of 300 grains
methinks

[coachcw]

I have a feeling that alot of guys are light on there arrow wieghts 70 lbs bow requires a 420 grain arrow thats a 340 fmj or a beeman 300 . depending on draw length withy a 100 grain broad head. maybe I'm spliting hairs whats a couple of grains mr warden ? cary your allens I guess.

[konrad]

I think you are right there Coach. Many archers, particularly those not so…seasoned… shall I say, have been convinced arrow speed is everything. Advertising and the quest for the “latest and greatest” instead of focusing more on woodcraft are currently driving the market.

From a marketing standpoint I understand why the hype is out there. You sell more products, so you can generate more profits, so you can do more R&D. I see it all the time, folks buying the latest Monster only to be craving the new X or Z. the very next year and all this because of a slick ad campaign. Those who are really caught up in the chase may be willing to sacrifice arrow weight in the hopes of squeezing every last drop of velocity from their “old” bow. I think that is OK if you are only hunting foam. When it comes to our furry friends though, we need to be thinking about ethical kills/shots and what could go wrong…not hope that everything is perfectly right (kind of sounds like a government report I read recently).

I will say that the industry as a whole is improving but sometimes in the rush for bragging rights (8 more fps) the soul of the sport gets lost.

I still gotta say a 100 pound draw bow still seems positively medieval.

[croix]

I have a feeling that alot of guys are light on there arrow wieghts

thank you. i thought i was losing my mind reading some of these arrow weights/speeds.

btw - the fmj 400's will also get you over the minimum, but the 400's will be underspined for anything over about a 28" draw at 70 #

[Lowedog]

I think you are right there Coach. Many archers, particularly those not so…seasoned… shall I say, have been convinced arrow speed is everything. Advertising and the quest for the “latest and greatest” instead of focusing more on woodcraft are currently driving the market.

From a marketing standpoint I understand why the hype is out there. You sell more products, so you can generate more profits, so you can do more R&D. I see it all the time, folks buying the latest Monster only to be craving the new X or Z. the very next year and all this because of a slick ad campaign. Those who are really caught up in the chase may be willing to sacrifice arrow weight in the hopes of squeezing every last drop of velocity from their “old” bow. I think that is OK if you are only hunting foam. When it comes to our furry friends though, we need to be thinking about ethical kills/shots and what could go wrong…not hope that everything is perfectly right (kind of sounds like a government report I read recently).


I will say that the industry as a whole is improving but sometimes in the rush for bragging rights (8 more fps) the soul of the sport gets lost.

I still gotta say a 100 pound draw bow still seems positively medieval.

I am great full for the latest and greatest.  Just because IBO ratings are done with a light arrow doesn't mean you have to shoot one.  I can shoot the same 420 grain arrow with my Destroyer 340 set at 60lbs that I shot with my Guardian set at 70 lbs at the same speed.  The 340 also has a better draw cycle and is as forgiving or more than the Guardian and just as quite.  My bow before the Guardian was a Trykon and at 70lbs it was another 10fps slower with the same 420 grain arrow with an even worse draw cycle. 

So when one of our furry friends presents a shot I am thankful that I am only drawing 60lbs to get the same results as what 2 year old technology took 70lbs to get.   I welcome the advancements!