450 marlin

[Huntbear]

Not meaning to hijack this thread, but get yourself a Siamese Mauser action, and build a bolt gun 45-70. 

It has a staggered magazine for rimmed cases, and is strong enough, you can load to maximum loads and even beyond to 100 % compressed loads with the right powder.

Excellent 250 yd elk gun, and bear gun.

[yorketransport]

what are the advantages of the short mag action over the standard short action for this conversion? all this talk of a 450 carbine is getting me really interested in one.

It would just save you from replacing the bolt head and magazine. But changing bolt heads on a Savage is honestly only a 15 minute and $30 job. I'd just get the short mag action so that I had one for future builds. I like to have an action for every situation. I have a separate repeater action for .223 length, standard short action (308), long action (30-06), and standard length magnums (300 Win Mag). Then I have a single shot with a standard (.473") bolt face, and one with a magnum bolt face (.534"). All I need now are a .378" (223) single shot, short magnum repeater, and a long magnum (RUM or H&H) repeater action. Then I should be set.

Andrew

[MountainWalk]

Any practical knowledge of the 458 american? or a 460 guns an ammo? These two, I know nothing about.

[JackOfAllTrades]

Now that this thread has turned more to discussion....   

I've looked at the balistics for the 45-70, 450Marlin and 444Marlin for a while now.  My next lever gun will be a Marlin SS guide gun in 444Marlin. The 444 might give up a little in the energy department at the muzzle, but flies a lot flatter with a bit lighter and better BC bullet selection, but is still a big bore and is beyond compare to the 358win. Most of the 444 bullets actually retain more energy down range that what's offered for the 450. Each of these cartridges has a good selection of bullets for the hand loader, but I think the 444 would be a more versital hunting arm.

-Steve

[carpsniperg2]

i agree jackofalltrades if i had to buy one it would be the 444 like i said early in this topic my buddy had a bunch of lever guns and i loved the 444 he had it was a marlin in ss as well, we had a blast shooting them i think that new lever evelution bullets and loads would be super in them.

[MountainWalk]

I think I am leaning more towards the 450 Marlin. Me thinks that the 4570 being rimmed and all would really mess with feeding, and the rim is sooo big. I think it has enough juice for two hundred yards max, and energy or lack of shouldnt make a big difference. Frontal area is big enough. I have a chzec vz-24 rifle that will handle it. Plan on having a 22 inch barrel with a ring sight and im going to leave the bolt as is, straight out the side. Thanks for all the info and discussion.

[yorketransport]

Sounds like fun. Be sure to post updates as the project moves along.

Andrew