String loop

[sneakyjake]

I was thinking about changing to a string loop instead of attaching directly to the bow.  Guy at Ranier said I can't do that unless I go to a drop away rest.  I had never heard that before.  Anyone?  I only thought about it because my release will pinch the nock off of the string every once in a while if I am not paying attention when I draw.

[lokidog]

I think string loops have been around longer than drop-away rests.     Don't know why it would be a problem.  I think it would isolate your string from some of the torque the release might impart and make it easier to tune.  I shoot off the string.

[croix]

i cannot think of a single reason why you would need to have a drop-away rest with a d-loop.

i've read several articles recently about improving shot consistency and every single article said that the best thing do was add a loop. none of the mentioned the "NEED" to add a drop-away but did mention that it "CAN" contribute to consistency as well.

[Tony 270WSM]

As stated, don't see why you need a drop-away rest at all. Should just be able to add the D-loop to your string and go.

[carpsniperg2]

crock he is trying to get you to buy a new rest you can put a loop on and have no probs

[wabow]

What rest are you using? An old plunger or flipper I could justify changing if going to a d loop.

Don

[carpsniperg2]

i also shoot a d loop off my recurves because i use a release with them most of the time. and i use flipper rests on most of my trad bows and have never had a prob either

[D-Rock425]

I don't see any reason you can't shoot a D-loop.

[GoldTip]

Yep, he doesn't want to install a string loop for $4 without getting to charge your for a new rest.  I was shooting string loops with the old TM hunter rests and even before that with a star hunter rest, and that goes back to the mid-80's.  No need to switch to a drop away just to shoot a string loop.  I think the combo of doing both will lead the most improvement in consistency, but it doesn't mean you won't see benefits from switching to the string loop if you don't replace your rest.

[mtbiker]

I was thinking about changing to a string loop instead of attaching directly to the bow.  Guy at Ranier said I can't do that unless I go to a drop away rest.  I had never heard that before.  Anyone?  I only thought about it because my release will pinch the nock off of the string every once in a while if I am not paying attention when I draw.

Yep, that sounds like something rainier archery would say.  Yet another reason why they don't get my business.  Go see the guys at Wholesale Sports.  They'll put one on for free (you pay for the string loop, itself --- dirt cheap) and they'll tune it for you.

[Tony]

They are full of it. I have a WB rest and they installed a loop on my string. I'd go see Doug at Skookum Archery.

[hoyt5199]

You can shoot with about any arrow rest with a string loop. I have done it and had much success.

[JBar]

I shoot a loop with my WB, should be better to go with a loop no matter what rest.

[mrmorton]

put a loop on. its more accurate then shooting off the string. that guy was wrong, flat out wrong. just put a loop on. hope this helps

[garyltbh]

xxx archery hasnt steared me wrong if they told you that I think there was a reason for it. just ask them why. and im sure they will explain the reason for saying that.

[carpsniperg2]

ranier and xxx the same shop?

[JBar]

Sneaky- Did you go to the town of Rainier near Yelm, Rainier Oregon or did you go to Rainier Archery in Graham? I can't see Rainier telling you that you need a drop away for a loop unless they were suggesting you upgrade from your current rest. But again a loop will help no matter what.

[Wazukie]

Install the d-loop yourself and safe the 4 bucks.  Its really is quite simple to do.  In my opinion the best thing a shooter can do is learn to work on your own bow.  Learn how it all works and do your own set up.  its not that hard to do.  That goes for arrows too.  just my 

[sneakyjake]

I'm shooting a 10 year old Q2, with a quick tune rest by NAP.  I took it in to have the string changed out.  It was Rainier in Graham and he meant what he had said.  I have read multiple articles in Petersen's and Bowhunter mag on them over the years.  Saved a few, doesn't seem difficult.  What I don't want to do is have to turn a four dollar change into a drop away rest and a new release.  I am assuming it will lengthen my draw length.  Will it be noticable?  Will I have to get an adjustable release (ten years old also) to shorten the distance to the jaws?  If I do go to a d loop, any pref for solid versus string?  I'm just not in the habit of dropping $200 to change something that isn't broke.  Killed a lot of critters with this setup.  Don't know why I'm having the issue with the nocks.  They are gold tips. 

[xXx Archery]

ranier and xxx the same shop?

LOL
NO...WE are not the same shop....xXx Archery is in Rainier OREGON
Rainier archery is in Graham Washington

oh and put a D-Loop on.

[JBar]

It'll change your anchor a little bit, if you get the right loop material you can make a loop pretty small. You will need to have it big enough for your release to fit into it without hitting your arrow nock.

[xXx Archery]

Place an arrow on your arrow rest & snap the nock onto the string at approximately 90
Place an arrow level onto the arrow about 3-4 inches in front of the arrow rest

Using a 12-16” length of BCY #62 braided POLYGRIP .020” material, place the piece of serving behind the string & butting up against the nock

Tie a single overhand knot so that the knot is facing you. Pull tightly enough so that the knot is secure, but not cutting into the serving. Moderate to heavy tension!
Tie another knot on the back side of the string exactly opposite the
positon of the first knot.
Tie the 3rd & final knot on the front side of the string.
Place one of your nocks onto the sowstring butting it up against the
bottom of the upper nock point, Leave a small amount of play between
the nock & the starting point for your lower nock point to allow for nock
pinch at full draw
For your lower nock point, you will complete a total of 7 knots this
will create a lower nock point that is twice as large as the top

[xXx Archery]

Installing your D-loop -
Assuming you have installed your upper & lower nock points according the instructions above, you are now ready to install your D-loop. We are going to show you how to install a D-loop.

Start with a long piece of D-loop material of your choosing. Fray the end of the material to a length of about 1/8” and wax the string with bee's wax

Hold the D-loop material vertical. Using a standard lighter, begin slowly melting the frayed material in a circular motion until it is evenly melted & there is a good crown of melted material

Now that you have one end of the material ready, you can tie the top D-loop knot. wrap the D-loop material around the bowstring just above the top nock point leaving several inches of material to work with

Slowly work the slack out of the knot by pulling on the longer piece of D-loop material while supporting the bowstring ensuring that the melted crown remains exposed.
Once the majority of the slack has been removed from the knot, pull tightly on the D-loop material while supporting the bowstring in order to firmly set the knot & remove ALL slack.
The burnt crown should firmly butt up against the bowstring & the D-loop material.
Since you started the upper knot on the front side of the string, you will start your lower knot on the back side of the bowstring

The lower knot will be tied in the exact opposite configuration as the upper knot.
Fray & burn the end in the same manner that you did the first.

seat the loop by pulling aggressively on the D-loop

The loop will continue to seat & the material will stretch slightly over the next 20-50 shots fired from the bow by about 1/32”-1/16” depending on the material & the length of the loop..
Here is the completed D-loop

The offset in nock point sizes between the top & bottom creates a slight amount of down pressure on the arrow at full draw which helps keep the arrow on the rest & provides for more consistent overall pressure on the arrow rest. The offset also creates a better alignment of your release aid directly behind the arrow at full draw

[xXx Archery]

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[Old Dog]

Great advice XXX!  It's nice to see someone who actually knows how to properly install a D loop.  Even the bow manufacturers forget the two nocking points.  

[xXx Archery]

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[xXx Archery]

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[Old Dog]

Awesome tutorial.  No wonder you have such a good reputation.  Hats off!

[Todd_ID]

Great tutorial! I wish I lived closer because you deserve the business.

[xXx Archery]

Awesome tutorial.  No wonder you have such a good reputation.  Hats off!

Thanks Old Dog....and you to have a good Reputation..
Its good for some guys to learn how to do some work on there own bows
I hope this helps..

[carpsniperg2]

xxx archery hasnt steared me wrong if they told you that I think there was a reason for it. just ask them why. and im sure they will explain the reason for saying that.

that is why i asked corry didn't know why they said it was you when it was not

[Elkrunner]

It sounds like he might have an overstock of drop away rest and wanted to sell some!

[xXx Archery]

xxx archery hasnt steared me wrong if they told you that I think there was a reason for it. just ask them why. and im sure they will explain the reason for saying that.

that is why i asked corry didn't know why they said it was you when it was not

LOL it happens ...Rainier Wa....Rainier OR.......its ok
but everyone it was not xXx Archery in Rainier OREGON that said it...

[GoldTip]

xxx archery hasnt steared me wrong if they told you that I think there was a reason for it. just ask them why. and im sure they will explain the reason for saying that.

that is why i asked corry didn't know why they said it was you when it was not

LOL it happens ...Rainier Wa....Rainier OR.......its ok
but everyone it was not xXx Archery in Rainier OREGON that said it...

You posting that pictoral tutorial here on this thread demonstrates once again why XXX archery has the reputation you do.  It's why I bought my last bow from you guys.  You are a true credit to the archery industry and one more reason why we should all support pro shops (mainly yours) as opposed to buying from the big box stores.  Good on ya.

[Drifterat]

Great tutorial, thanks. Do you tie the knots in different directions for left and right handers? If so why?

[xXx Archery]

no, but the knots, top and bottom need to be on  opposites side of each other..That stops the the D-loop from spinning around the string.

[bigbull94]

XXX ARCHERY,In Rainier,Oregon,is one fine bow shop.I would send anyone there.Cory and Dustin are top notch guys who know there stuff.Heck,they even have root beer named after them!!LOL,THANKS,Cory!!

[dreamingbig]

A great thread.  Thanks for posting the tutorial.  I have been tying my own d-loops for awhile now but I never thought to wax them first.  I will give it a try.

[GEARHEAD]

a related question, i am getting back into bow hunting after a 15 years off, wieghing whether to go with or with out a string loop, i know they are more accurate but i'm paranoid that it may come loose on me when i need it most. is this paranoia reasonable?

[xXx Archery]

a related question, i am getting back into bow hunting after a 15 years off, wieghing whether to go with or with out a string loop, i know they are more accurate but i'm paranoid that it may come loose on me when i need it most. is this paranoia reasonable?

Not if they are put on right.

[carpsniperg2]

  maybe 1 in 1000 might from people not using the right strength cord or not knowing how to tie them right.

[Lowedog]

I missed this thread.  Great tutorial.  I have been tying my nocks like that for a couple years after seeing it on Archery Talk. 

[GEARHEAD]

THX, feel better, will have ta have a proshop tune and help me with that when i decide what bow i want.