Author Topic: Ar 15 (Read 11246 times)

Head-shot · « **on:** February 28, 2008, 09:34:59 PM »

I'm thinking of building an AR 15, and would like to hear from some of you about tips and cool upgrades.

I will be using it mainly for varmints, so I would like something that can ding fairly consistently out to about 250 300 yds.

I'm pretty familiar with the gun from using it in the military but that was the plain Jane version. I want the "Hot Rod" so to speak.

actionshooter · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2008, 09:40:13 PM »

Theres a ton of things you can do. Get a little more specific on what you want and I can throw some ideas out. I have built several, they are almost like tinker toys with all the options. check out www.ar15.com and do some research.

Head-shot · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2008, 09:54:57 PM »

I don't really care for all of the tactical *censored* you can hang on one, except maybe lights or something for night hunts. I want it to feel like an extention of my arm, not awkward and bulky. Smooth operation, from the magizines to the buffer spring. If leagal silent, or as quiet as possible. Although I've not seen much here about those goodies, maybe because of the goofy law on them.

What is the best make in terms of reliability, durability, customer service, availability, then price.

Barrels, you mentioned in another post, who makes the best barrel for the money; with that is it a noticeable difference.

I guess the pros and cons of your experiences. I would rather ask people like yourself who have some experience tinkering with them who are willing to share that, than someone blowing smoke up my ass trying to get me to buy the type of gun they carry.

Does that help?

whitey · « **Reply #3 on:** February 29, 2008, 12:02:29 PM »

Bushmaster! They have all the stuff you could ever need for a nail driver AR-15. Fluted 20" stainless barrel. Check out SNS Industries they are made out by Snohomish, Mil spec varmint rifles starting at $750.00 Real nice stuff I will find the link and post it. Heres the link http://www.snsindustriesinc.com/index.htm

MikeWalking · « **Reply #4 on:** February 29, 2008, 12:37:14 PM »

Hey thank for the link. Didn't know about them. Would like to have one for "sentimental" reasons

actionshooter · « **Reply #5 on:** February 29, 2008, 05:42:33 PM »

Well for starters your talking about silent, thats not legal here. Funny law, supressors are legal to own illegal to shoot with one

For barrels there are 2 basic kinds, button cut rifiling in which they draw a "button" through the bore and broach cut where the rifling is actually milled, more consistent, more accurate and costs more

. For accuracy broach cut is better. For a standard factory rifle Olympic Arms is the only one doing broach cut to my knowledge. You can buy aftermarket barrels that are broach cut also.
For smooth operation they have neumatic buffers now that are really cool, the old "sshproing" of the buffer spring is gone. They are about $75.
Several brands are really good right now. With AR15s there are a ton of manufacturers = a lot of competition on quality and price.

I'm partial to Olympic Arms b/c they are local and there ultramatch model is really tough to beat in the accuracy dept. Great warranty and service, especially if you show up at the front door.

I like Bushmaster, I used to shoot DCM matches, service rifle, with one and it was a great gun.

Colt is OK but I feel they are over priced and some of thier rifles are not mil-spec, meaning the parts on thier rifles are not all interchangable with other manufacturers.

I have seen SNS around but I don't know anything about them, I pretty sure they buy parts and assemble rifles.

Then you have the match rifles like Les Baer, Wilson, JP (I really like these) that are great rifles but start at $1700 and go way up.
There are also a TON of parts builders right now and its not hard to pick what you want and buy parts and then have someone assemble it for you.
Hope this helps

Head-shot · « **Reply #6 on:** February 29, 2008, 05:47:53 PM »

Great, thanks for the insight and the help.

huntnphool · « **Reply #7 on:** February 29, 2008, 05:59:25 PM »

I have a Bushmaster that is a tack driver. That being said I have checked out several and would have to agree the Olymipic Arms pieces are very nice. You might consider joining the Washington Arms Collectors, every month there is a show and you can check out all the different pieces, hands on, and get some pretty good deals too if you have the time to get them bidding against each other. Here is a link. http://www.washingtonarmscollectors.org/

actionshooter · « **Reply #8 on:** February 29, 2008, 06:56:04 PM »

I would 2nd what phool said about the WAC show. You will see a ton of AR15 stuff and it will help you choose. You don't have to join to go look either.

Head-shot · « **Reply #9 on:** March 01, 2008, 06:12:27 AM »

Thanks for the info guys. Does the WAC ever have shows over in my area (Ellensburg) or are they just on the west side?

Head-shot · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2008, 07:36:46 AM »

Another question in regards to the barrel I have is the twist. I've seen everything from 1 in 6.5 to 1 in 10. most of them being 7 or 9. What is the big difference with this and what effect does it have. And which bullets match upo best for them.

actionshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2008, 08:20:31 AM »

Heavy bullets, fast twist
light bullets, slow twist.
I prefer 1-10 with 52-55 grain for shooting chucks and squirrels

Head-shot · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2008, 03:34:46 PM »

What it the heaviest bullet for hand loads for the .223? Is it 90 gr?

And the lightest is 40?

Head-shot · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2008, 09:40:36 PM »

Also any thoughts on the "Wylde" chamber?

Does it make that much difference, or is it better to just go with the 5.56 chamber and shoot either/both 5.56 and .223 ammo?

Head-shot · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2008, 08:58:56 PM »

Anyone else?

actionshooter · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2008, 05:01:09 PM »

There is a lot of debate about Wylde and NATO chambers, I personally haven't messed with it much. They both can be extremely accurate and basically you can feed all ammo through both. The guys that really debate this are the benchresters. I wouldn't spend the extra money for a Wylde chamber if it cost more. For some reason the Wylde reamers cost more.
Sorry I couldn't be much help on this one.
In an earlier post washington arms collectors was mentioned and you are on the east side, Spokane has a monthly show also but I have never been there.
Steve

Head-shot · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2008, 06:36:24 PM »

Steve,

Thanks for all your help, that goes for everyone else that posted some help on this for me as well.

Eric

clearviewguy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2008, 03:34:49 PM »

I just got a stripped lower from SNS in snohomish, They cnc there own stuff and the quality looks top notch, I also have built a few AR's and this lower looks as good as any I have built,, and for the price of 120$ out the door you cant beat it,,Just my 2 cents-Toby

thinkingman · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2008, 09:39:22 AM »

I would consider building an AR if I had time and experience, but I have neither.
If I did build one, I'd spend the $ on a RockRiver 2 stage trigger or White Oak.
I would have a medium contour phosphated barrel with flattop gas block in a 18 or 20 inch length with a 1X8 twist, as I think heavy bullets buck wind better at the 300yd range you mentioned.
The heavier varmint barrels tend to make the thing nose heavy and seems too much for a field gun.
I would not mess around with a collapsible stock or the accessory forearms...just a freefloat tube.
The Wylde chamber does seem to have benefits as you are not limited to one type of ammo.
Personally, I have not seen really tight groups from 5.56 but for those that have to have the hottest......
All in all, I would buy a Rock River Predator Pursuit or Coyote and call it good.
I have a Rock River Varmint in 18" 1X8 and with 77 grain Matchkings, it is boring.
PM me...I need an excuse to come to Eastern WA and shoot.

madmack76 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:00:55 AM »

any ar-15 if you know how to shoot it wll shoot consistantly at 250-300-yrds if you know how, if you can do it with an old beat up boot camp rifle open site then its not to hard to figure it out i got an oly arms and i shoot crows off my front porch at 100 yrds no prob

jeepasaurusrex · « **Reply #20 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:50:28 AM »

Have you guys seen the new lower from SNS?

demontang · « **Reply #21 on:** April 24, 2009, 07:44:57 AM »

I would look toward Dedicated technologies, Mike makes some very nice stuff. Olympic makes some great AR's for the money, there rifles are very accurate. Its hard to go wrong with any one the brands though. It is kind of hard to find one for a good price right now.

I would stay away from the wylde chamber unless you plan on single loading 90+gr bullets.

NW-GSP · « **Reply #22 on:** April 24, 2009, 10:09:53 AM »

what would it cost to build one on the cheap side?

Coasthunterjay · « **Reply #23 on:** April 24, 2009, 10:17:37 AM »

700-800bucks on the very cheep side....

thinkingman · « **Reply #24 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:34:56 PM »

http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm

For $600 you can be burnin ammo.

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