300 wsm

[1bugman]

Same old story........I got drawn for an any elk hunt and talked the wife into a new rifle. I love my old 270 in Ruger, but have permition to get a little bigger gun. I have decides on a 300 wsm, unless I find an unbelievable deal on a 300 win mag. I'm looking for input on which make and model you would not get and why. It's easy to say why you like this gun or that, but I'm looking for god reasons why not to get a certain gun. Any other ideas or opinions are very welcome.

Thanks Bug

[addicted]

I would get a steyer mannicher luxus. Steyer has them on sale right now for 1800 with schwenkmontage (swing quick disconnect mounts).  there is also an option for a Pycatinny rail.  It also comes with two sets of side plates, the engraved metal and the wood. It is a fairly modular system that allows you to change the barrels/calibers easily.  It has the steyer kryo hammer forged barrel that ends up with the spiral look to it. Since its the luxus it will have the top of the line wood and fnish.   Since it is a pure european rifle it comes with the set trigger as well.   It is a 3000euro set up.   My buddy just got one in 9.3x62 and it is SWEEEET.   Quality stuff for quality hunters at a good price is the reason.

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/jagdwaffen/luxus/

[bear]

TIKKA

[deerbandit]

Weatherby Vanguard in 300 win mag out the door with a nice scope and three boxes of ammo for $606.00 at Cabelas in Post Falls.  I love the gun.

[addicted]

Weatherby Vanguard in 300 win mag out the door with a nice scope and three boxes of ammo for $606.00 at Cabelas in Post Falls.  I love the gun.

father in law shoots the same set up. loves it. it really does shoot nice.

[BrandonWatts]

i have a vangaurd in a 300wsm. good gun wasnt happy with the trigger on it so i had it redone now it is a shooter. factory ammo is kinda expensive i would get a set of dies for it but cant go wrong with a 300 mag either.

[halflife65]

I think he's asking which one you WOULDN'T get, isn't he?

[addicted]

I think he's asking which one you WOULDN'T get, isn't he?

I wouldnt get a common merkin joe shmo gun. there are just too many european beauties out there with forged recievers and hand carved stocks, heck they even shave their arm pits these days. My suggestions are on the basis that there isn't a  price range   

i wouldnt get another ruger..... you already have one lol

[1bugman]

Thanks guy,
Unfortunatly I do have a price range, and I'm leaning tward stainless and sythetic. I cover to much brushy steep land to go with a "pretty" gun. I have heard good things about both the vangard and the tikka, and I heard good things about the New Ruger M77 and the Savage models. I've only heard bad about the cheap Rem model 700. one guy bought one (new) and it had a tweaked rear sight. He was also having issues with the company over fixing it. 

[BigGoonTuna]

you can get a howa 1500 cheaper than a vanguard, it's the same rifle without the goofy weatherby stock.

[thinkingman]

I WOULDN'T get a Rem 700.
Too many lemons out there and even a decent one needs tweaking to bring it up to Tikka/Savage operability.
Not a Ruger fan...too crude.

[SkookumHntr]

-There's a wood stock, matte barrel x-bolt in 300wsm sittin at wholesale sports in lacey right now! Looks pretty sweet, If I was in the market for one that gun would be gone!

[winshooter88]

Savage, Howa, Tikka or Weatherby all are good Savage and Tikka have the best triggers of the bunch. Stay away from Remington's, they aren't the guns that they were just a few years ago.  

[mtndew]

I wouldn't get a cheap model to save a few $, get the most gun you can afford. I WOULD get a Browning A-Bolt stainless stalker, I love mine!

[wapiti hunter2]

I wouldn't but anything new.  Your .270 is fine.  I would spend my budget on upgrading my glass and and on scouting trips.  Your .270 is pleanty of gun.  Ammo is reasonably priced. You are used to it and it will kill the elk just as dead.  New gun, you worry about every scratch, need a new scope ($300+) too and your mind is distracted and not on your one chance here.  Great tag.  I would just focus on finding the elk, scouting and other preparation.    

[Huntbear]

I would go with the Tikka in the 300 wsm.  Light weight, nice action, and accurate.

The 300 wsm is an accurate round and if you handload, even better.  My nephew knocked a bull flat at 400 yds with his.  The bull dropped in  his tracks.   My brother has one in a Browning BAR.  We are getting 1/2 in. groups at 100 yds with it so far.

[Three_Oh_Eight]

To be super honest, I'd stay away from any Remington M700 in a WSM chambering.  I'll probably get flamed for that opinion, but I've noticed this on several of them chambered in 270 and 300 WSM.  The first issue is the lips on the magazine have to release the round perfectly during feeding to keep the shoulder of the cartridge from skipping off the feed ramp and going bullet-first into the top of the receiver ring, missing the chamber.  Seems to be a bigger issue when feeding quickly.  I also feel the M700 magazine box and action are too short for the WSM, especially if you reload.  As a reloader, I like a bit of room to fit my OAL to my chamber/throat.  I prefer a controlled-round feed action such as a Winchester M70 for the WSM because the timing of the release from the magazine doesn't matter as much. The rim snaps under the extractor and is "controlled" into the chamber.

I wouldn't touch a new Ruger M77 in any WSM case......Because they don't make them anymore! 

[carpsniperg2]

  i think some people need to learn how to read WOULD NOT GET and everyone is telling him what gun to get funny stuff right there. and since this is my  lets try to keep this from running away and getting off key with other people saying why they don't like my  or others as well that always seems to happen 

1: i do not like savage rifles at all. i will not own one. and i have a hard time shooting one. the reaons why which you asked for are. i was shooting a 300 win mag sav that one of my friends had andthe accu trigger was not working right. he took it in and said it was fixxed so i went to shoot it again next time at the range first round out the gun was fine but tried the 2 round and no matter how hard i pulled it would not move re chambered a new round and the trigger creeped back but would not go farther back when i let off the trigger the gun went off and dropped the hammer how i do not know and never will. scared the $hit out of me bad so that was the first bad time i had with one and there will never be a second 2 many good guns for me to have to shoot one i don't like.

now remember lets keep this on subject and not jump all over the place why you think i am wrong and savages are great that is not what this topic is about

[1bugman]

Thanks carpsniperg2, That's what I'm looking for. what model were you shooting when you had all those problems?. savage has been one I am/was interested in, I found many articles that rate the 110's w/ the accustock very high. In fact most have it ranked #1. July issue of Field and stream has it #1 and the Vanguard #3, My NRA American Hunter gave it the golden bullseye award. Now I understand they get free guns to use and advertising money. Just wondering you thoughts. And thanks for being one of the few who understood the question. Savage has moved down the list and gives me good questions to ask when I look at the guns Saturday, at cabela's.

[carpsniperg2]

no prob bud, i do the same thing that you are doing when i am looking for new guns that i am intrested in like i said i would have to talk to him to know. i know a lot about many brands of guns but not savage so to be 100% sure on the model i am not sure but 99 or somethin like that sticks in my mind. they are not for me but i know others that love them to each there own vangaurd is a good one. but there is a few good ones if you are looking i would look at the vangaurd tikka sako remington side by side and get what fits you best and feels the best as well

[1bugman]

no prob bud, i do the same thing that you are doing when i am looking for new guns that i am intrested in like i said i would have to talk to him to know. i know a lot about many brands of guns but not savage so to be 100% sure on the model i am not sure but 99 or somethin like that sticks in my mind. they are not for me but i know others that love them to each there own vangaurd is a good one. but there is a few good ones if you are looking i would look at the vangaurd tikka sako remington side by side and get what fits you best and feels the best as well

Thanks again, I hope every one understands what I'm asking for now. I like the suggestions on what I should get, that's easy-same gun they hunt with_ but know the problems with a gun first helps a lot more.

[GooNiEs]

hey bugman .. i own a savage .300wm and love it... no regrets never had a problem with my accutrigger.. my buddy ben has the savage in .300wsm but i think they only make that caliber in a bull barrel which weight would be a factor. I also own a howa mod. 1500 7mm mag and thats a tack driver too no problems there ... but i know 7mm isnt a .300wsm

[ML_Hunter]

I don't like the Savage and here's why.  Next time Your looking at one, take a close look at the trigger.  If you pull the trigger anywere on the outside of it with out depressing the center "Accu" part you will hear a click and it only take about 1lb of pressure to do so.  The firing pin will not go off.  But now you cant even pull the trigger for its just been released!  The only way to now shoot is to work the bolt and and pull the trigger again.  This may never happen to you at the range, but can happen in the field.  Your hands are cold, wet, or your wearing gloves or simply get too excited.  You go to reach for the trigger and accidentally hit the outside of the trigger releasing the trigger but not the firing pin.  Opps you may not have a second shot, you may be shooting at moving game, or a cat may be chasing you and you don't have time to work the bolt and shoot again.  At other time you may have the time to do so.

Last season, a friend of mine and I were hunting the October rifle season.  I hunt muzzle loader and have been trying to get a bear with my muzzy so I did not have a modern rifle with me.  We saw a cat on the edge of a clear cut and told him to take the shot for it was WAY to far my the muzzy!  He got excited and as he was extending the legs of the bi-pod he touched the outside edge of the trigger and both heard the gun go click.  Thinking he had a hang fire he waited a few second just in case prior to working the bolt again.  I keep eye on the cat and it started to move so he tried getting back on it and was unable to get a second shot off.  When we picked up the round we noticed the firing pin never struck the primer.  We took the next day to go to the range and all seamed to work fine but why did that one round not go off.  Well after some playing around with his rifle and the trigger group we found out why.  And I've tested this on every gun with the Accutrigger and they all do the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, The guns shoot great, there not that expensive, and they are great sellers, but that trigger I'm sure has cause several folks to lose animals.

[1bugman]

I don't like the Savage and here's why.  Next time Your looking at one, take a close look at the trigger.  If you pull the trigger anywere on the outside of it with out depressing the center "Accu" part you will hear a click and it only take about 1lb of pressure to do so.  The firing pin will not go off.  But now you cant even pull the trigger for its just been released!  The only way to now shoot is to work the bolt and and pull the trigger again.  This may never happen to you at the range, but can happen in the field.  Your hands are cold, wet, or your wearing gloves or simply get too excited.  You go to reach for the trigger and accidentally hit the outside of the trigger releasing the trigger but not the firing pin.  Opps you may not have a second shot, you may be shooting at moving game, or a cat may be chasing you and you don't have time to work the bolt and shoot again.  At other time you may have the time to do so.

Last season, a friend of mine and I were hunting the October rifle season.  I hunt muzzle loader and have been trying to get a bear with my muzzy so I did not have a modern rifle with me.  We saw a cat on the edge of a clear cut and told him to take the shot for it was WAY to far my the muzzy!  He got excited and as he was extending the legs of the bi-pod he touched the outside edge of the trigger and both heard the gun go click.  Thinking he had a hang fire he waited a few second just in case prior to working the bolt again.  I keep eye on the cat and it started to move so he tried getting back on it and was unable to get a second shot off.  When we picked up the round we noticed the firing pin never struck the primer.  We took the next day to go to the range and all seamed to work fine but why did that one round not go off.  Well after some playing around with his rifle and the trigger group we found out why.  And I've tested this on every gun with the Accutrigger and they all do the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, The guns shoot great, there not that expensive, and they are great sellers, but that trigger I'm sure has cause several folks to lose animals.

Outstanding
Great info thanks, that will help in making my decision.

[Three_Oh_Eight]

I'm not into Savages because they look like they are made from used tractor parts.

[1bugman]

I'm not into Savages because they look like they are made from used tractor parts.

A good looking rifle and a good working rifle CAN be two different things, I'm buying this gun to be a useful, tool, if it looks good too great. but toughness, usability are the first things.

[1bugman]

i'll be at  Cabela's picking out a rifle tomorrow, thanks for all the help everyone.

[BrettinWen]

Pick out the Tikka! I've hunted with a T3 stainless in 300WSM for the past 3 years.  I drew the entiat A a few years back and drilled a 160 class at 438 yards.  Last year a 6 point bull in Idaho went down to the 165gr handload.  The Tikka has the best trigger and guaranteed 1 minute out of the box.  Mine's a tack driver and I wouldn't part with it for $10K!  I might take $11K if anyone is interested.

[1bugman]

I've heard some good things about the tikkas. only one guy had trouble with his. but it seems each rifle has atleast one problem child. it should be fun shopping.

[ML_Hunter]

I've heard some good things about the tikkas. only one guy had trouble with his. but it seems each rifle has atleast one problem child. it should be fun shopping.

If you have any issues with the gun, you can take it to Cabelas within 30 days and they'll replace it.  They did that for my TCP.

[1bugman]

Like that, thanks

[1bugman]

head to Cabela's, No Inter net at the inlaws I'll let everyone know about which rifle I got (or didn't) on Sunday or Monday.

[1bugman]

Bought a rifle. and I was a little surprised at what I finally bought. Liked all of them. ended up with a 300 win mag, not the short mag I thought I would. almost bought the savage, love the feel they didn't have it in 300 any thing. the ruger is what a ruger is, not real pretty, and didn't like the safety, same for the winchester. the vanguard was nice didn't like the stock on the stainless/synthetic. the browning was just out of my price range. It came down to the Tikka t3 in and the Remington 700. love both. the Tikka had the nice action of the bunch and a good factory trigger. didn't like the scope rings just like every one else, but loved the weight and feel of the gun. What broke the deal was the plastic magazine clip. I could get my head around this. I know it helps with weight, but at $70 for a replacement, I could do it. they probably would last just fine, but I think I would have had problems. The Remington was the choice. great feel, nice action, like the placement of the safety,although a three stage safety would be nice, and at $599 it was easily as good a rifle as any of the rest. Only down side is they were out of bases for the scope so i will have to order some. can't wait to go shooting. Thanks again for every ones input. It only took 5 hour of looking and comparing rifle to decide.

[ML_Hunter]

well I know how shopping on Saturdays are, so I know you prob spend most of the time waiting on your number to be called .  Which model Remington did you get??  I'm sure it's a 700, but they make so many differnt Model 700's.

[1bugman]

it wasn't too bad, we pulled a number looked at used guns, had our number called looked at new rifles, had lunch looked at scopes, pulled 2nd number looked at rifles again and bought a Rem700 sps stainless in 300 win mag. and a Leupold rifleman scope rings, still need bases they didn't have the right ones in stainless, and a sling

[ML_Hunter]

good to hear!!  I hear so many folks get upset for waiting too long for there numbers to be called.  Unfortunately, I'm on the wrong end of that scenario.   

[GooNiEs]

omg its too funny im laughing so hard about your story ml hunter.... rofl .. what was his finger doing on the trigger when he wasnt on his target.... ? Also bi pod..? noisy clanky weight ... wow they need to teach marksmanship in hunters ed... 10 rounds with a .22 isn't enough......yea i wear fingerless wool gloves as well ... have dropped 3 elk in some of the nastiest weather with frozen cold fingers as well....   

[ML_Hunter]

He used a bi-pod, I don't have one on my rifle although thinking of putting one on.  Have no clue how he hit that part of the trigger...but it only takes ounces of weight to release the trigger.  Have you looked at the accutrigger on the savage?  If you haven't, go look at there triggers and then we'll talk.

I never wear gloves when hunting...unless there's snow on the ground, but never had and issue with gloves, then again I don't have an accutrigger on my muzzle loader.