Cub Survival Odds

[singleshot12]

Yep all forms of hunting!  Pisses me off when baiters use un-natural junk food to bait with though and the fact that they still bait period.  It's not fair for the rest of us.

[shedcrazy]

If baiting, and hounds were still legal, we wouldn't have bears in down town areas. Just because they are coming in to bait or running them with hounds doesn't mean they are getting killed. You could sure be alot choosier on your harvest. No mistakes with cubs, you could pick your size your color, and see a bunch of animals. I didn't start hunting until after the ban, but you can be damn sure I would try it. Iv'e taken 4 bears the last three years using spot and stalk, I don't feel superior to people who would bait and use hounds if legal. 

[Hangfire]

Hound hunting is hunting, just different than spot and stock.  It is one of the most time consuming expensive ways to get a bear.  Your hunting starts when you get a pup, the training caring for the dogs, vet bills, etc.  Hound hunting is most comparable to catch and release fly fishing.  The participant is more knowledgeable  about the quarry, how to get it and if it isn't what he wants he walks away leaving it in the tree to be chased another time. If you have ever hound hunted any thing, you find out what hard work is. The biggest complaint I have about hound hunting as done now where legal, is the radio collars.

[carpsniperg2]

i am all for hound hunting and miss it, very much. we never took any sows at all we were able to take big mature boars. and they had fear when they heard a dog bark! not a rumble in the tummy thinking food

[bearbaito6]

Hound hunting is hunting, just different than spot and stock.  It is one of the most time consuming expensive ways to get a bear.  Your hunting starts when you get a pup, the training caring for the dogs, vet bills, etc.  Hound hunting is most comparable to catch and release fly fishing.  The participant is more knowledgeable  about the quarry, how to get it and if it isn't what he wants he walks away leaving it in the tree to be chased another time. If you have ever hound hunted any thing, you find out what hard work is. The biggest complaint I have about hound hunting as done now where legal, is the radio collars.

             


Whats wrong with the collars? They do nothing to help catch game they are only there for a safe and hopefully faster recovery of expensive hounds and our bestfreinds, that may have the critter or may have fallen out of the race. In today's times fast recovery of hounds is a must! to many fruitcakes and bunny huggers in the woods that will take your dog and to many busy roadways that they could be killed on.

[Kain]

Baiting doesnt look that easy to me.      Sad we cant see stuff like this in this state.

A Guide's Life 6.12.2010 - Last Day on the Stand - Alberta Black Bear Hunt.mov

[mulehunter]

The biggest complaint I have about hound hunting as done now where legal, is the radio collars.

         I personal Houndman and being DEAF (It mean I cant HEAR A THING).....  Hangfire.... I have a question for u,   Please help me improve my skill to find my dogs with out Radio Collars.  


Mulehunter

[Big w]

The storys in this thread have really disturbed me. I hunt bears and i have seen 10+ bears in the last two years and have not seen any cubs. After reading those storys, i really don't feel like going bear hunting. If i killed a sow with cubs i could not live with myself. Atleast if you kill a Cow elk with a calf it will join up with the herd or another cow.

I don't know man, this thread has really gotten to me. I already shot a bear on tuesday and it was a male. By the way, the person who started this thread sounds like a real idiot.

[Hangfire]

Before the electric collars were in use, hound hunters left some of the large roadless areas alone to avoid losing dogs. These areas acted a a reserve for animals. Now with the off road vehicles, that sanctuary is not available. I realize they save dogs and speed up the hunt a lot, (less time looking for lost or treed dogs). I know I lost my Bluetick female for over 7 days before she followed my trail out. I and the local hound hunters were sure she was treed on a cat. She was a very strong tree dog.

I have a lot or respect for the knowledgeable hound hunters. I feel those people and the trappers were the most knowledgeable people out in the woods. Unfortunately the hound hunters had within there ranks, some people with very strong feeling about doing what they wanted when they wanted, regardless of the laws.

As this tread is about, I feel hound hunting cut down on cub and female mortality.

[Hangfire]

I guess I never answered MULEHUNTERS question. I am sorry your hearing is gone. I have to wear two hearing aids in the woods, I also can not see iron sights any more do to a occlusion in my right eye. If I want to hunt with my muzzle loader I will have to scope it and hunt general season, which I will.

My feelings against radio collars are partially fueled by the ban on hound hunting. A lot of people who hunt and are serious about it, are down on hound hunting because of the collars and they did not join in the fight against hound hunting. I had a discussion with some people who were very avid deer and elk hunters. They were up in the Wind river (Skamania county) area, scouting when bear season was open.  There feelings towards hound hunting after observing the 4 wheel pick ups with a dog on the hood, another on the dog box, all with radio collars and the pick up cab looked like a porkypine with all
the antennas, were very negative.

With the problems with wolves, and I know what it is like to loose dogs, I still feel the hound hunting sport would be better with out radio collars

[ICEMAN]

The storys in this thread have really disturbed me. I hunt bears and i have seen 10+ bears in the last two years and have not seen any cubs. After reading those storys, i really don't feel like going bear hunting. If i killed a sow with cubs i could not live with myself. Atleast if you kill a Cow elk with a calf it will join up with the herd or another cow.

I don't know man, this thread has really gotten to me. I already shot a bear on tuesday and it was a male. By the way, the person who started this thread sounds like a real idiot.

Bigw, your first posts makes you sound like you are not really a hunter at all...Maybe you are, maybe you aren't, but you are calling the thread starter an idiot, and you are claiming to have shot a "male" bear just this Tuesday. Most hunters I know who have claimed a BOAR would describe it as such. You say you could not live with yourself if you shot a sow with cubs? Really? 'Cause most hunters I know understand that occassionally bad things happen to all of gods creatures and humans, and sometimes we cannot control everything.... Are you really sure that a calf will be unaffected if you were to kill momma cow? The cycle of life for animals and humans is rather unpredictable. If you kill a doe with your car and a fawn bounds off into the woods can you live with yourself?

I believe the result of this thread is to help hunters avoid abandoning cubs. Hunting inherintely puts other animals from your target group at risk.

[PolarBear]

The cubs will probably be shot anyway.  Hell, most of the bears that I see posted are cubs or practically cubs.

[ICEMAN]

Stop making fun of my bear from last year! 

[mulehunter]

I guess I never answered MULEHUNTERS question. I am sorry your hearing is gone. I have to wear two hearing aids in the woods, I also can not see iron sights any more do to a occlusion in my right eye. If I want to hunt with my muzzle loader I will have to scope it and hunt general season, which I will.

My feelings against radio collars are partially fueled by the ban on hound hunting. A lot of people who hunt and are serious about it, are down on hound hunting because of the collars and they did not join in the fight against hound hunting. I had a discussion with some people who were very avid deer and elk hunters. They were up in the Wind river (Skamania county) area, scouting when bear season was open.  There feelings towards hound hunting after observing the 4 wheel pick ups with a dog on the hood, another on the dog box, all with radio collars and the pick up cab looked like a porkypine with all
the antennas, were very negative.

With the problems with wolves, and I know what it is like to loose dogs, I still feel the hound hunting sport would be better with out radio collars

 Dont feel sorry if my hear gone. I born that way. God made me who I am... I am good. I love to hounding and VERY THANKFUL that I can hunt myself with out depending other frineds use their Ear but I can Managed myself find my dogs every time I caught Games.   Every one is different on View of what they think and way they feel.
Everyone have their different options. There is 400 million people in American cant agree same feeling. Its going to be WORST DEBATE of how they feel everyday about hunting, Wolves, everything. Everyone are going to DISAGREE EVERYTHING period. NONE will ever work in future!

 

Problem is When they need Biologlist help on TOP of it to Managed it. WHO SIDE HE IS ON!      NO way it will NEVER make everyone HAPPY!


Mulehunter

[Machias]

The storys in this thread have really disturbed me. I hunt bears and i have seen 10+ bears in the last two years and have not seen any cubs. After reading those storys, i really don't feel like going bear hunting. If i killed a sow with cubs i could not live with myself. Atleast if you kill a Cow elk with a calf it will join up with the herd or another cow.

I don't know man, this thread has really gotten to me. I already shot a bear on tuesday and it was a male. By the way, the person who started this thread sounds like a real idiot.

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