Wolfplant? Who Is This Man With The Drugged Wolf?

[Gringo31]

Wolfbait,
I don't think this is as much about the wolf issues as the personal one.  Scott wasn't courteous by any means.  He didn't address any questions that Ray had asked.  He attacked him as well as called most from this site a bunch of wolf lovers.  

I don't believe this site is a bunch of wolf lovers.  I think it as more "pro-wolf management" than just about any other site in the state.  Scott is the one that judged US.  I'm having a hard time understanding how any rational person can't see that Scott "should" have handled himself a bit differently.  Now, I realize everyone has a bad day, but you won't get a lot of support when you attack those that are willing or able to even help.

Just my thoughts.  I think we need to work to make this LESS personal.  We need to be focused on the issue not the person.  You believe Ray made it about Scott when Scott made it about Ray.....and, I'd have to say I believe Scott threw the first stone.

Can we get back to focusing on the true wolf issue?  There are enough of us in the field where we can work together without personal attacks.

[grundy53]

Wolfbait,
I don't think this is as much about the wolf issues as the personal one.  Scott wasn't courteous by any means.  He didn't address any questions that Ray had asked.  He attacked him as well as called most from this site a bunch of wolf lovers.  

I don't believe this site is a bunch of wolf lovers.  I think it as more "pro-wolf management" than just about any other site in the state.  Scott is the one that judged US.  I'm having a hard time understanding how any rational person can't see that Scott "should" have handled himself a bit differently.  Now, I realize everyone has a bad day, but you won't get a lot of support when you attack those that are willing or able to even help.

Just my thoughts.  I think we need to work to make this LESS personal.  We need to be focused on the issue not the person.  You believe Ray made it about Scott when Scott made it about Ray.....and, I'd have to say I believe Scott threw the first stone.

Can we get back to focusing on the true wolf issue?  There are enough of us in the field where we can work together without personal attacks.

i agree with your statement ..... but there are a few wolf lovers on here 

[boneaddict]

Wolbait, you know where I stand with wolves.  This Scott guy needs to get control of his actions or temperment or whatever you want to call it.   It really does paint a negative picture and he comes off like he is frothing at the mouth almost rabid.   I understand if you are defending a friend, but I can tell you straight up I have lesser of an opinion of him now that I have seen "His words."  

No Lowe I haven't.  I don't need the entire world knowing where I am hunting.  If I thought it was worth it, I would, but I am so sick of the snowjobs.   There is no frickin way in hell there are the number of wolves they are claiming in the Valley.  Everytime someone reports them (trustworthy reports) they chaulk it up as the lookout pack travelling.  Its crap.  I can watch the lookout pack, drive 30 miles north to shed hunt and find wolves.  DAMN they are quick.  If the departments want us to be honest with them, then they should be honest with us. PERIOD

[Special T]

Evade, Confuse,  and Attack... Hmm sound like a pretty good startegy to me... Seems like we are doing the work of the anits for them... 

[Ray]

wolfbait, you have continued nearly along the same lines which your friend Scott did. Your approach is to attack someone's credibility and standing for asking casual questions or offering honest feedback. As far as I am concerned you are digging your cause a larger hole as you have continued to speak on this topic here today.

[wolfbait]

wolfbait, you have continued nearly along the same lines which your friend Scott did. Your approach is to attack someone's credibility and standing for asking casual questions or offering honest feedback. As far as I am concerned you are digging your cause a larger hole as you have continued to speak on this topic here today.

I'm done talking about this RAY. In my opinion you should have wrote Scott a letter and handled it that way not bring it to a site where you could thrash it. I have a problem, I take to the person or I ask someone I trust what they think. You can spin this anyway you want to. I think it has been well thrashed now don't you?

[Ray]

I don't believe I need to send letters to Scott in response to his poor behavior. There is no spin regarding his actions. I reported them as I saw them and have left all to be interpreted as is. It seems to me the easy way to avoid this spectacle would have been to remain tactful and respectful. However I was not in control of another man's actions and I could find no hint of regret from the man for the disparaging interaction.

[rasbo]

there is almost 6000 people on here as members,and Ill bet a few thousand that read as nonmembers ...I have to side with Ray and others on the attitude taken by those working hard to inform the public of the wolf problems....Here is one comment made by me,and Scott's response to an opinion in favor of  wolf management and also stating its not being managed properly in my mind.... my comment...having wolves in the wild does not bother me,nor the circle of life..But they must be managed properly..Which they are not!  Scott's reply to my opinion below


If you have no problem with it, means you are not living the Hell we are. You have made an asinine statement.
wolfbait...Is this really how he could expect to gain my support or respect for him??

[Rockholm66]

Ray is only working to bolster his image as a instrument in this battle. Insignificant as it may be, the man had no place to call question to me. In fact, I put the question out there. This man is driven by his own personal motives, and nothing more.

I am one of the twenty members of Washington for Wildlife. I thought it had leadership that was interested in protecting our hunting heritage. The people who know me, and have worked with me will absolutely justify my work. I guarantee Ray, you will never drive your membership up after your motives are exposed. I will continue working in Idaho, and Montana, and you and Dale can continue to pander to the WDFG. I will not renew my membership, I can tell you that for sure.

To address your continued sniping, all I can say is good luck with that ray. I guarantee when I make my new video, the truth will expose all of this.

Thanks for the heads up wolf bait. I will continue lending a hand to your efforts to stop this horrific wolf introduction.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Not to put words in Rays mouth, but I'm not sure there is much interest in making this a "Battle", certainly not between ourselves.  In any case, the whole picture controversy was bogus.  All it showed was that there are masses of people that only need the suggestion of a conspiracy and they can fill in the blanks with their own wild ideas. 

Wolves are here to stay.  As far as I'm concerned, the only question is ' how can/should we manage them along with the rest of our wildlife?'  Having no wolves will not be an option.

Ray is only working to bolster his image as a instrument in this battle.  I guarantee Ray, you will never drive your membership up after your motives are exposed. I will continue working in Idaho, and Montana, and you and Dale can continue to pander to the WDFG. I will not renew my membership, I can tell you that for sure.

[boneaddict]

Wolves are here to stay.  As far as I'm concerned, the only question is ' how can/should we manage them along with the rest of our wildlife?'  Having no wolves will not be an option.

Thats about as true a statement as you can get.


Rock, I know you don't know me from Adam, but you need to mellow.  Whether you care or not what I think, you are alienating the folks that are here to help you.  If thats not the right words then I'd have to say you are pissing in your own bowl of cheerios.  In a position that you possess, you need to be able to articulate your responses to ANY question without coming back...or just losing your cool.   

[Ray]

Ray is only working to bolster his image as a instrument in this battle. Insignificant as it may be, the man had no place to call question to me. In fact, I put the question out there. This man is driven by his own personal motives, and nothing more.

I am not an instrument in the supposed battles. I certainly have question to call to anyone I please. If you present a photo without details it is a god given right for me to be concerned, inquisitive or even amused by it's origin or any other matter which I feel is personally significant.

I am one of the twenty members of Washington for Wildlife. I thought it had leadership that was interested in protecting our hunting heritage. The people who know me, and have worked with me will absolutely justify my work. I guarantee Ray, you will never drive your membership up after your motives are exposed. I will continue working in Idaho, and Montana, and you and Dale can continue to pander to the WDFG. I will not renew my membership, I can tell you that for sure.

Drive my membership of what? What membership do I own which I am attempting at bolserting numbers for? The fact that I have crafted and spent thousands of hours of my personal life dedicated to create and host a forum where hunters can share experiences is a testament to my devotion for hunting heritage. It is tangible and credible whether or not you agree with it. Obviously you do not recognize it as factual because you are only trying to cover up or divert attention away from yourself because of the irrational behavior and hateful remarks you have made towards me.

To address your continued sniping, all I can say is good luck with that ray. I guarantee when I make my new video, the truth will expose all of this.

Scott, I don't care what videos you make. You can call me out by name inside your videos but in the end it will amount to nothingness to me. I need not a video to represent my thoughts. They are right here in words just as well.