White-tailed deer hunt proposals to be reviewed in August meetings

[alwinearcher]

In the proposal by the Stevens County group they point out the departments lack of accurate counts.. The only counts they state are the opinions of the ranchers that live along side the deer!! This is very scientific! More bred does will increase the deer population if that is what is desired by the group not more mature trophy class bucks! What is the benefit of the herd if all the 4 points and larger are killed??.The bucks that make it to the 4 point level with todays seasons are the deer we want breeding and plenty of these exist just not road hunting..I guess who wouldn't promote something that will keep people out of their back yard all along creating a trophy unit right out the back door...These farmers and ranchers are going to be begging for money and permits do to crop damage if this goes...

But the thing about it is, all 4 pnt and larger bucks wont be killed. SOME 4 pnt and larger bucks will be killed, BUT once the bucks have a couple years to mature and reach their 4 pnts, they will have a lesser chance of getting shot because they will have added years of wisdom

If by "added years of widsom" you mean standing there, looking at hunters, and not getting shot for the first couple years of thier life...I fail to see how this will all of a sudden be a survival advantage after they grow that 4th point.

Deer  that arent getting shot at do still get smarter with age.

[alwinearcher]

In the proposal by the Stevens County group they point out the departments lack of accurate counts.. The only counts they state are the opinions of the ranchers that live along side the deer!! This is very scientific! More bred does will increase the deer population if that is what is desired by the group not more mature trophy class bucks! What is the benefit of the herd if all the 4 points and larger are killed??.The bucks that make it to the 4 point level with todays seasons are the deer we want breeding and plenty of these exist just not road hunting..I guess who wouldn't promote something that will keep people out of their back yard all along creating a trophy unit right out the back door...These farmers and ranchers are going to be begging for money and permits do to crop damage if this goes...

But the thing about it is, all 4 pnt and larger bucks wont be killed. SOME 4 pnt and larger bucks will be killed, BUT once the bucks have a couple years to mature and reach their 4 pnts, they will have a lesser chance of getting shot because they will have added years of wisdom

If by "added years of widsom" you mean standing there, looking at hunters, and not getting shot for the first couple years of thier life...I fail to see how this will all of a sudden be a survival advantage after they grow that 4th point.

Deer  that arent getting shot at do still get smarter with age.

Do they tell you this, or leave messages at your trail cams?

It depends, only a few of the bucks around will have regular convos with me. so part of it im guessing.

[huntnnw]

sneaky  
 "The big bucks are there, they just do not come out into the fields with 100 does. They are smarter than that."
I notice where you live, I have spent 1,000's of hours watching deer here, I lived on a alfalfa in the heart of some of the best whitetail country in NE WA, the big bucks do come out! spend some time scouting in the summer, the biggest of the bucks are out feeding. Yeah come fall they are gone.

[huntnnw]

exactly matt, the 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 or the dumbest deer in the woods. Why dont some of these people on here go take a look at mica peak in the rut and take notes! not even compareable into quality of bucks running around.

[huntnnw]

They do, 670 tags. and a boat load of archers, being next to a large city. what I am trying to say is they have a 3pt min here and there is a ton of branch antlered bucks.

[huntnnw]

IT WAS OPEN FOR 4 YEARS WITH A GENERAL SEASON! I LIVED IN THE UNIT, IT IS ALMOST BORDERLINE COMICAL THAT U CANT SEE WHERE THERE WOULD NOT BE A INCREASE IN BRANCH ANTLERED BUCKS WITH A PT RESTRICTION. SIMPLE NO SPIKES OR FORKS GET SHOT!

[huntnnw]

I WILL ATTRIBUTE A POINT RESTRICTION UP NORTH WOULD HELP A TON, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

[huntnnw]

What I can't wait for is the firearm closure around deer park and chattaroy

[alwinearcher]

The talkative ones are just trying to get on your good side so you will feel bad for them when the opener rolls around (don't fall in to their trap, they're very smart  ).   

DANG IT!  I knew I should have never let thaqt 200" inch buck walk!

[Hangfire]

Some of the concerns with a 4 point minimum are: The total buck deer kill will decline, even after the population changes to more branched antlered bucks.  What is a new, juvenile hunter going to get, and will they continue to hunt, when they have to hold out for the larger bucks. What is it going to be like when we get another hard winter and the mortality is all these branched antler bucks.

I want to find out what the advantage to the deer herd is with a 4 point minimum. Do they have better breeding like elk. Every thing I have heard and seen is that is not the case with whitetail.  There is not a doe fertility problem now. I have been told and what I have observed is a barren or nonfertile doe almost doesn't exist. You see does with out fawns this time of year as they are hid out. I watch a lot of deer in the fall  a white tail doe with out at least 1 fawn is very rare. You must remember the fawns suffer some loss from cars and predators. Not having a fawn with her doesn't mean she didn't have one.

[drk9988]

exactly matt, the 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 or the dumbest deer in the woods. Why dont some of these people on here go take a look at mica peak in the rut and take notes! not even compareable into quality of bucks running around.

I guess the heart burn I have with it is that in the proposal they are looking for more deer because they think the population has decreased.. They need to just come out and say they want trophy units.. Also different people have different feelings about what a quality deer or a trophy deer is.. Some people are happy to kill a doe every year and fill the freezer.. I know plenty of people that would consider any deer a trophy..Also if you lived on alfalfa you know how the deer can damage your crop when they come back in full force because only a few big bucks are getting shot... Then the whining will begin again...

[1bugman]

Looks like they're gone screw up my deer season. Figures

[huntinhick]

If the numbers support it I would not mind taking does sometimes just depends on the day.  I do like to shoot bucks also but yet to find a recipe that makes those racks taste good.  I mean other than the ivory and the danglies they the same animal.  btw before some says does are less alert or easier to kill, the older does tend to be the warning system for bucks which is why you sometimes see all does in a field, the bucks will push them out and see what happens (read this and have seen this).  Most of the places where I have seen large numbers of does in a field was private land where they don't get the pressure or that rare perfect place and day combo.  what kinda science do they use to come up with these ideas to make things "better".  seams to me they should look at places where the herds are strong and take  a cue from there! 

carl

[Hangfire]

In most of this string I see the word "they" used all the time, who is they.  This is a proposal by county commissioners and hunting clubs, not Fish and Wildlife. F & W has to respond to this organized group. It is up to the rest to make there feelings known. Attend the meetings if possible or send in your feelings. The squeaky wheel gets the attention.

[Sneaky]

sneaky  
 "The big bucks are there, they just do not come out into the fields with 100 does. They are smarter than that."
I notice where you live, I have spent 1,000's of hours watching deer here, I lived on a alfalfa in the heart of some of the best whitetail country in NE WA, the big bucks do come out! spend some time scouting in the summer, the biggest of the bucks are out feeding. Yeah come fall they are gone.

Once that velvet comes off they disappear. I have hunted all three weapon seasons in the northeast since I was very young and have seen this. Come the November rut, if you find a place with 100 does, you will find the mature bucks. If you live on NE alfalfa, you know this.