2010 Special Hunt Permit Drawing Results (Summary) has been posted

[bobcat]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/

[bobcat]

Funny... just as I predicted, odds for drawing an antlerless moose permit are now tougher than odds for drawing a bull moose permit.  For the antlerless, it was 1 in 287. For bulls, 1 in 274. Average points for those who drew antlerless moose was 10.19, and for those who drew a bull moose permit it was 9.95.   

                        

[WABONEHNTR]

I sure hope they change the way tags are drawn.  Max points should draw the OIL tags.  No reason why 6pts should draw a sheep tag over my 15pts.  Sure hope that changes.

[bobcat]

I sure hope they change the way tags are drawn.  Max points should draw the OIL tags.  No reason why 6pts should draw a sheep tag over my 15pts.  Sure hope that changes.

Not sure I agree with that. It sounds good, but what about the new hunters just starting to build points? They would never be able to draw in a lifetime of applying, if that were the case. What would be the inventive for them to even apply?

[kramman]

it was all about $ The area I apply for buck deer went from 1100 apps to well over 2500 and how is this supposed to increase my chances?Hopefully it will change but in this economy and the gov. telling agencies to budget for a 3% cut I doubt it will get any better .I would stop applying but Im already into for 8yrs.

[WABONEHNTR]

OK say maybe 75% goes to the max pts and 25% to random.  Something has to change.  

[Bob33]

I would stop applying but Im already into for 8yrs.

I've heard that a local company is offering a 12 step program for breaking the permit habit.  Some have gone cold turkey, but most need assistance.  The first step is admitting that you're addicted to the applications.

[Bearhunter]

Pretty accurate Im surprised, they had my tag drawn down as the one applicant that drew on his second choice.

[bobcat]

                                             Number of applications:    2009                      2010
The cow elk hunts I applied for:                     #1               1122                    2193
                                                                #2               1771                    3846
                                                                #3                267                      444

[ramslam]

Where did the 2009 drawing results summery go to or am I overlooking it?

Unfortunately, it would take 10+ years to cycle through those with max points for sheep including those that have actually have "more than max". 

[bobcat]

Where did the 2009 drawing results summery go to or am I overlooking it?

They got rid of it quite a while ago. I wish I would have saved a copy of it. You can still get numbers of 2009 applicants from the 2010 regulation pamphlet.

[bobcat]

Toutle and Margaret bull elk permits actually did show slightly better odds of drawing:   2009                2010

                                                                                              Margaret          1:197             1:170
 
                                                                                               Toutle              1:24               1:20

[ramslam]

Sounds like someone should request it be put back up. 

[WABONEHNTR]

Where did the 2009 drawing results summery go to or am I overlooking it?

Unfortunately, it would take 10+ years to cycle through those with max points for sheep including those that have actually have "more than max". 

I understand the time frame but at least I would have a better chance to draw a tag.  I will never draw as long as the people with less than max pts keep getting the tags.  

[bobcat]

I understand the time frame but at least I would have a better chance to draw a tag.  I will never draw as long as the people with less than max pts keep getting the tags. 

MOST people will never draw a sheep tag in Washington. Look at the odds... it was 1 in 400 this year. So you should expect to draw a sheep tag one time in 400 years of applying.

The only way to improve odds is to either raise the cost of applying substantially, or do something like if a person applies for deer or elk permit, they cannot apply for moose, sheep, or goat.