7 Bays Big Mulie Down B.S. or Not???

[BoomWhop]

O.K. Here is the question, as an archery guy is it ok to stick a nice buck when it is tame and laying in someones yard?  7 Bays is a little moble home community on the river in central w.a.. They have  a few deer every year that hang out in the yards of the home owners.  Every year we visit my folks and go look at these deer and take pictures.  They are tame but do live in the sage brush near by and come into the houses every day.  In the middle of the day a guy ( IMO not a hunter) sticks this nice 4x4 mulie while it is laying in the mowed grass next to a guys house.  2-3 arrows later the deer is dead.  I don't know the rules for sticks and strings but holy crap this seems to me to not be right.  I am trying to reduce the size of the photos of this buck so you all can see the size of him and all the houses.  Just looking for the  of most archery guys.  My dad is a Muzzy hunter and kills deer every year, but was very upset at this guy.  I  guess he sees these deer as pets.  It happens every year down there.

[bowhunterforever]

Do you have pics of the buck and the hunter?

[longrange7mm]

no that is simply KILLING not hunting!!! 

[BoomWhop]

yes lots of pics of the buck. just too large to post. my new cannon 7D is nice but the 18 mega pixs are to big to post.  Nice 4x4 but not huge. 130-135 class???  My folks may have pics of the guy, but I would like some more info before I showed his face.  IMO if its legal to shoot them that close to the city do it at fist light in the sage brush, not at noon.  My mom saw the Buck walking/limping down the road with an arrow in him, while she was washing dishes.  I am seriously thinking of picking up a bow for elk, so I am not anti archery, but 3-4 arrows and in amongst the houses... I wish all hunters had to pass a skill test every year before buying a tag.  Don't even getting started on a ethics test... I think acts like this and those guys that arrowed the elk off hwy 20 are the biggest threat to our future of hunting.  I love the show whale wars, but God help us if some of those dudes decide on a new show Deer/Elk Wars

[Todd_ID]

I shoot deer in town here.  The state has a special season and deer area here for a reason.  The people complain to the state; I've never been told no when asking permission; well, I guess one old lady saw them as needing a place to hide, and I said, "Yes, ma'am, it's called the National Forest right out there".  I'd be extremely surprised if every landowner there in your story saw them as pets and not problems.  They're cool to see in town until it's your town and your roses and trees they're destroying.  I planted 2 acres of alfalfa and watered it all summer trying to get them to stay away from my fruit trees: fences didn't work.  In town they're just pests.

As for the three arrows to kill it...sometimes that happens.  There're no guarantees that even a well hit deer will die when and where you want it to. 

Skill test?  Never happen for the same reason Fox News has reporters; put a bar there, and most can't get under it. 

Ethics test?  Never happen for the same reason Washington DC won't ever change; 80% of the people can lie better than the next guy.

Rules for archery?  Same as rifle.  Must have permission to shoot an animal on that property.  Shooting an arrow or bullet across property lines without permission is federal no-no.

[lokidog]

We sometimes shoot the deer in our back yard that have been eating the apples we throw out to them, or in the neighbor's yard eating his grass, or in the other neighbor's yard just passing through.  Is it a challenging hunt?  Not super challenging.  Is it legal?  Yes.  Does the deer taste just as good as one shot in Capitol Forest or Forest Service land? Definitely!  Is it hunting?  Sure.

To post your pic, select it then go to your task bar and click "open with" Paint, click on resize and change the number to maybe 50%, save and see how big it is, resize as needed.

[carpsniperg2]

not very sporting, but it is legal.i would rather have another hunter then a anti out there.

[BoomWhop]

Hey great to hear from ya Todd, I took your advice and spent that Taxi money well.  If ya don't remember Peola Muzzy Bull  Yes I get your points.  That's why I asked the question about this.  Most of these deer have some insect issues as well.  I have heard that some guys make a living back east killing deer in yards for the reasons you stated.    I will re size the photos.  Did you pull any good permits?   I heard a 3rd Big Bull was poached in Peola, my cousin found (saw its horns from the road) one of them by Iron Springs, it was still breathing.  He call in the game dept.  It was shot and left to die.

[Todd_ID]

No permits for me.  I only know of 3 bulls shot.  One was 350", and the other two were raghorns.  Probably a good chance that more are being shot though.  Hope not....even though I'll never draw the dang tag.

[Michelle_Nelson]

This is just my opinion.  A deers life is a deers life.  It doesn't matter if it was shot in someones yard, someones field out in the country, private timer land, DNR land, with a rifle, muzzy, or bow.  As long and the meat is put to proper use.  If the guy killed it for the mount that was his choice.  As long as the meat is used. 

I do not know the whole senario with this guy using 2 - 3 arrows before the deer died.  Was it 2 or was it 3?  Perhaps instead of letting the deer wonder off 20 -30 - 40 yards into several yards leaving a blood trail he decided to shoot til it was down.  Anyone one ever make a great shot on a deer only to have it go 5 x 10 x 20 times farther than you thought possible?

Where it sounds like this deer was killed is not my cup of tea as far as hunting.  If it is ethical and legal I will not condem someone for using a different method than I to get there animal. 

[bowhunterforever]

This is just my opinion.  A deers life is a deers life.  It doesn't matter if it was shot in someones yard, someones field out in the country, private timer land, DNR land, with a rifle, muzzy, or bow.  As long and the meat is put to proper use.  If the guy killed it for the mount that was his choice.  As long as the meat is used. 

I do not know the whole senario with this guy using 2 - 3 arrows before the deer died.  Was it 2 or was it 3?  Perhaps instead of letting the deer wonder off 20 -30 - 40 yards into several yards leaving a blood trail he decided to shoot til it was down.  Anyone one ever make a great shot on a deer only to have it go 5 x 10 x 20 times farther than you thought possible?X2 well said

Where it sounds like this deer was killed is not my cup of tea as far as hunting.  If it is ethical and legal I will not condem someone for using a different method than I to get there animal. 

[bearpaw]

As long as permission was granted and it is not closed area to hunting, then it's up to the hunter and the property owner. I know my mom lives in town and wishes someone would shoo the deer that keep eating her flowers. But it's not legal to hunt in our town.

Conversely, there are towns in the east which have created archery hunting zomes within city limits to lower the nuisance deer problem. However, any hunter should consider the impact he is making by visibly shooting deer in a community and take steps to reduce the collateral damage to the image of hunting. 

[CSOUTFITTERS]

Some of you guys say the deer in communities/developments are a nuisance.   Lets face it most of these people consider them as pets, hell they even feed them and think they are cute.  What this guy did doesn't sound illegal but was it right? morally and ethically or did he just screw all other hunters and confirm some of the typical liberal stereotypes about hunters and hunting.   I am a "what if" guy especially when hunting.  How good would it look if he liver shot or gut shot it and it died in someones back yard after several hours.  I guarantee you that the whole community would be pissed and their next agenda after calling F&W or the Sheriffs Office would be to stop all hunting in the area which would screw the rest of us.   

I dont know about you guys, i dont think i would be to proud to look at that rack no matter what size and feel good about it.  but then again some guys dont care how they get an animal (poaching, 5 arrows later, 90 yard shot, an ass shot, a neck shot, whatever).  Ive had the same oppurtunites as this guy has an ive passed up the situations because it is only an animal and it doesnt mean that much to do something stupid or to have to explain myself to to law enforcement.  Id rather hunt fair chase somewhere where on public land where where isnt houses or treehuggers close by.      If this guy is proud of it and brags to his buddies then more power to him, just not for me.  Like said, not very sporting but i guess it was legal. 

[bearpaw]

Apparently the guy thought it was OK in his mind or he wouldn't have shot the deer. Maybe it wasn't everyone's cup of tea to hunt that way, but apparently he thought it was OK. I personally would have avoided hunting where it may cause a controversy.

But the bottom line is:

Did he have permission, was the area open to hunting, did he violate any game laws.

The reason I brought up the hunts in city limits is because some people may like watching the deer, but to some other people they may be a nuisance. One thing is for sure, people are forgetting the realities of life, maybe it's good they are reminded that hunting is a part of game management, maybe they need to realize that some people don't want as many deer around their yard.

What if the landowner told this guy to kill one of the deer that keeps eating his wife's roses, hell the guy is going to shoot the best deer he sees. Until you know all the facts and not just heresay or your best guess as to what happened, I think it's best to keep your nose out of someone elses business.

I wasn't there so I can't say if this particular situation was good, bad, or indifferent. But I can say that I get sick and tired of hearing one sportsman bash another because someone didn't hunt in the manner they approve of. That is one of the biggest problems with hunters, some are so narrow minded it is pathetic. I'm not say you are that way, and I am hoping you are only sincerely concerned about the image of hunting.

Game ranches are a perfect example: I think a large percentage of folks on this forum would vote out game ranches if given a choice because they don't happen to think it's ethical hunting. When those same people are 80 years old and can not hike the mountains to access public land hunting, they may wish they could go to a game ranch and shoot the last animal of their lifetime. I myself would rather take my bird dog hunting at a good game ranch than in the wild. Not because its challenging, just because I get to see my dog work as many birds as I wish to pay for. I consider that my right and I don't like the idea that there are people who want to prevent me and Cammy from doing that.

Sorry for the rant, just my 

[BoomWhop]

Here are a couple of photos.