7 Bays Big Mulie Down B.S. or Not???

[bearpaw]

Glad somebody actually found out the real story. In this case it sounds as if the guy is without dignity and without respect for the law.

But half the time hunters are just jealous because someone got something they didn't get and so they look for fault. This is especially true with more well known hunters who get top scoring trophies. Almost immediately other hunters are scrutinizing and throwing out assumed allegations. That is why I will not automatically condemn someone until I know the real story.

Since someone actually has the true story on this, I would agree with the rest who have already condemned this person.

[DOUBLELUNG]

With the trespass, he gets no respect from me.  However, when I was a game bio, I would have urged any homeowner complaining about deer - and I guarantee a community like this has its complainers - to minimize or tolerate damage through the summer, and to approach the association about allowing a controlled deer hunt to control the nuisance.  As a population biologist, nuisance and depredating, human-acclimated animals are the top candidates for harvest from a management perspective.  Associations that forbid hunting where it is otherwise legal, but don't require their members to tolerate wildlife, are an enormous pain in the butt for game managers.

Even with my current health issues, I would not be interested in an "opportunity" like this.  However, IF it had been done legally and with permission, I would have absolutely no issues with nuisance animals being killed by hunters - though i agree with Boomwhop that it needs to be accomplished discretely and with a minimum of exhibition, unlike this *censored*' behavior.  I spent many, many hours explaining to non-hunting and anti-hunting property owners that state game managers handle nuisance wildlife to the greatest extent possible by allowing legal harvest.  It's not for sport, it is a population management tool.  There ARE many utilitarian hunters who would never dream of wasting time on an internet forum - their only interest is meat in the freezer, and the easier, cheaper and quicker, the better.  Many of these folks do understand the need for safe, discrete and ethical behavior to maintain their opportunities.

[Pathfinder101]

400 yard stalk in his hand-made-moccassins, then made an 80 yard shot with his trad bow, homemade arrows and stone points...? 

 

Its 800 yards, Kenetrek boots, and a 40 yard shot with my homemade stone point.

Touche

[h2ofowlr]

Almost like a High Fence hunt.  This case just happens to be a Mobile H. Hunt.  Lots of lazy hunters out there.

[lablover]

What is hunting? How many people call this hunting? I know I certainly do not. This is simply killing...plain and simple. Where is the sport, where is the pride, where is the true hunting experience at? There is none...it is simply meat in the freezer and a lot of pissed off people. From the information given, and the photographs provided, I do not believe the person that shot the animal is a real hunter, or has given much thought to what he/she has done to our image as hunters, especially bow hunters. Don't get me wrong, I know other people have made stupid decisions too, not saying this is the only situation where bad judgment was used, but this is a perfect example of one.

Part of the reason I became a bow hunter is because of the "hunt," the actual stalking of the animal, getting in close, etc etc. There is none of that in this scenario. It may be legal, but not morally or ethically right. I hope the individual that made this decision won't make another one like it again.

[FC]

What is hunting? How many people call this hunting? I know I certainly do not. This is simply EATING...plain and simple.

I fixed that for ya!

I see so much crying about ethics and fair chase it makes me sick. If you shoot an animal that didn't know you were there...was it hunting or killing? If you shoot an animal that DID know you were there, it was obviously mentally deficient and therefore wrong to have killed it as it didn't have the mental capacity to understand that you were going to try and kill and eat it.

What I think we need to do is try and teach them to read, give them books and hugs and then tell them it's ok to cry sometimes when the other animals make fun of them and then maybe someday we can all live together like in a Walt Disney movie....

I've seen firsthand what a pain in the ass these "pet" deer can be, if you plant flowers or have any small trees or shrubs they will eat them to nothing and then *censored* all over your yard before they leave. If it was my yard getting torn up and it was legal? I would take that deer down in a heartbeat.

Something people need to remember is that you can "ethic" yourself right out of any hunting if that is how you choose to look at it, killing animals that didn't know you were there and such...If that bothers you then you probably shouldn't be hunting! What about a bear? You could have some big bruin come right to you and not be afraid, is it fair to use a weapon to kill him or should you tape knives to your hands (like Wolverine) and duke it out in a more "fair" manner?

I think too many people are too concerned with horns, skull size or hide square footage and not what is carrying it around: MEAT. Is hunting exciting? Sure but if the only reason you do it is to get your weanie hard and beat your chest over how you outsmarted some animal, you might want to re-evaluate your motives.

[400out]

I wonder if he's going to do a head-mount with all the proper habitat (i.e. sod, petunias, chainlink fencing... maybe a couple of yard gnomes...)?  Or are all his buddies going to have to endure stories about how he hiked 17 miles into the Psayten in September and executed a 400 yard stalk in his hand-made-moccassins, then made an 80 yard shot with his trad bow, homemade arrows and stone points...?

[400out]

how do you ask for permission to hunt the front yard

[FC]

how do you ask for permission to hunt the front yard

LOL, walk past the deer and knock on the door?

[Skyvalhunter]

Or make a trail of apples to public property.

[400out]

how do you ask for permission to hunt the front yard

LOL, walk past the deer and knock on the door?

ok well played! I will go put my hat on 

[grundy53]

What is hunting? How many people call this hunting? I know I certainly do not. This is simply EATING...plain and simple.

I fixed that for ya!

I see so much crying about ethics and fair chase it makes me sick. If you shoot an animal that didn't know you were there...was it hunting or killing? If you shoot an animal that DID know you were there, it was obviously mentally deficient and therefore wrong to have killed it as it didn't have the mental capacity to understand that you were going to try and kill and eat it.

What I think we need to do is try and teach them to read, give them books and hugs and then tell them it's ok to cry sometimes when the other animals make fun of them and then maybe someday we can all live together like in a Walt Disney movie....

I've seen firsthand what a pain in the ass these "pet" deer can be, if you plant flowers or have any small trees or shrubs they will eat them to nothing and then *censored* all over your yard before they leave. If it was my yard getting torn up and it was legal? I would take that deer down in a heartbeat.

Something people need to remember is that you can "ethic" yourself right out of any hunting if that is how you choose to look at it, killing animals that didn't know you were there and such...If that bothers you then you probably shouldn't be hunting! What about a bear? You could have some big bruin come right to you and not be afraid, is it fair to use a weapon to kill him or should you tape knives to your hands (like Wolverine) and duke it out in a more "fair" manner?

I think too many people are too concerned with horns, skull size or hide square footage and not what is carrying it around: MEAT. Is hunting exciting? Sure but if the only reason you do it is to get your weanie hard and beat your chest over how you outsmarted some animal, you might want to re-evaluate your motives.

I agree. Yes I love the sport very much and wouldn't do this, but if I was purely a meat hunter then there is nothing wrong with killing an animal this way. Same as farm raised meat. I have no problem with someone doing this if it was my yard I would give him permission.

[lokidog]

We quite enjoy watching the deer in our yard.  They can be a pain though as they have leveled our greenhouse and plants on the deck a couple of times this summer. 

This guy's name is tall boy, he has a notch in his left ear, as he did last year, he likes his apples crunchy but not too sweet.       He will be joining us for dinner this year if we cannot find a slightly more anonymous deer in one of our neighbors' yards.  And yes, that is our fence on the right of the picture that I am holding the camera over to take the picture.

Are they pests, often, are they pets, not really, do they taste as good as the one you shoot a mile behind a locked gate, probably, did it take a week of vacation time to get it, no, is it hunting, up to you but shot placement still counts and I notch the transport tag that I bought with my hunting license.  Would I prefer to be able to take time off from work and ferrying (by boat) my daughter to school every day so that I could spend time with friends or family away from civilization, of course I would.  Fortunately for us, we are not quite so visible in the public eye.  But, should you be embarassed to do in public what you would do with no one watching?  The caveat is that no laws are broken.

[Pathfinder101]

Lokidog, you need to mow your lawn...

[NWBREW]

Lokidog, you need to mow your lawn...