Tribal Regs????

[alanger]

I'm not Native but have friends that are and I bet that about 90% of the people that sit on here and bitch about the Natives hunting rights would do the same thing that they do if you were born with brown skin. Just reading some of the posts on here about natives makes me think that we are back in the early 1900's and we live in the south.

Give me a break. 

[crabbyguy24]

Regulations HA!!! They do whatever they want and if they can't do it they will throw a fit until they can!!! Like the Makah's killing whales!!!

[alanger]

Regulations HA!!! They do whatever they want and if they can't do it they will throw a fit until they can!!! Like the Makah's killing whales!!!

i see why someone registered an account. lol

[spikehunter]

Iceman & bone hit the nail on the head, w/out white man there would be NOTHING

[1buckdown]

 

[shanevg]

I have said it before, entitlement breeds jealousy and hatred. It is living proof, look at all entitled groups, not just the indians.

Agree!!!!

And about earlier how do you know these people are natives and just not poachers. It is probably like anywere else 95% follow native rules while it is the 5% that give them a bad name and do what they want, just like sportsmen.

It probably is the 5% that give them the bad names, just like 5% of hunters give the rest of us a bad name.  The problem is when a Tribal hunter does something illegal (e.g. wastage, etc.) nothing happens.  No one charges them, they get no tickets.  If anyone else did something illegal, they wouldn't be allowed to hunt for years. 


The real problem comes from the lack of communication between tribal regulation makers and WDFW.  For example, I have been told by a Nooksack tribal member that Nooksacks and Lummis are allowed one goat tag per family.  WDFW says that Mt. Baker goat herd can handle up to 8 goats taken out per year.  Well it's no wonder the goat herds fluctuate so much, there is no biological regulation on what the tribal members do.  In addition to that, they are hunting areas that aren't even open for hunting because of lack of goat populations (e.g. Church Mountain off of Mt. Baker Highway) without any regards to what the bioligists are saying.  What we need is for the tribal rule makers and WDFW to get on the same page and for some sort of way to actually charge an illegal tribal hunter.  Then things would work much better!

[buckreaper]

The natives choose segregation by continuing to abuse and use special rights and continuing to want to be treated different and not equal the ones who want to be equal leave the rez in my experience and often do not go back.

Well said!!!!  Like with any race, organization, or whatever.  The blatant reflects on the whole group.  So... until the tribes fall more into line with the rest of the country this will continue to be discussed, cussed, and debated.

As far as the comment that if it was legal most everyone would do it...maybe, but I doubt it.  Any responsible hunter would know that it would be short-lived.  The deer and elk populations could not sustain themselves with that kind of abuse.  I would be the first to agree our game department sucks but if there was no rules and regulations just imagine what it would be like.

[pods8]

If its public land then ALL users should have to follow the same rules, this is 2010, its no longer about sustenance hunting for Indians any more than it is for the white man.  They are free to take as many or as little as they want from their reservations as far as I'm concerned but public land should be an equal playing field as it is paid for and manage by and for all of us.  Its time for a change, this is not an era that blatantly racist rules should continue.  Slavery was a practice in the era these treaties were written, we've seen the error of racially minded behavior there.  I don't see why progress shouldn't be embraced on this front as well.

[WALLEYERICK]

Something to chew on: I have read this thread, and until it happens to you, I can see some here still believe all is good. Here is a short story of what happened this weekend while scouting the blues. Most of this story is second hand but the shots we heard first hand (the bow hunter may read and correct me some). My buddy drew for a big bull tag in a unit next to Lick creek so we where scouting the area this past weekend. Sunday evening we split up and sat to listen for bulls. My buddy was sitting on a ridge point when 3 bow hunters approched. My buddy talked briefly with them then let them pass and continue ahead of him. Not wanting to mess with there hunt, he sat still for most of the evening where he was. Bugling was heard and so where shots. I picked up one guy while my buddy walked back to camp. We passed a truck headed out of where we where camped and stopped them to see how they did. They said they had a spike and 2 cows, and a monster whitetail buck less than 80 yards and coming. They also mentioned that they could see a big bull across on another ridge. BANG! BANG! BANG! from right over there head towards the big bull. We all heard the shots and swear the third shot hit. (it sounds different). Anyway, the archer said he was livid and headed up the hill to where the shots had been fired. He met two tribal men standing with guns. He said to them that he hoped they where shooting at bear, and they stated that they where shooting at elk but missed. He then ranted that he thought they where suppose to stay in the Lick creek area and no where else!! When he was telling us this he was pretty hot! Im not sure about units, but it sounded like this guy was. Thats my story, like it or not, it happened. Until we change things in the blues, the state and the RMEF had made a great 9 month trophy area for the tribe....... and the 20 some big bull tag holders.
 frustrated...........

[Rick]

I'm not Native but have friends that are and I bet that about 90% of the people that sit on here and bitch about the Natives hunting rights would do the same thing that they do if you were born with brown skin. Just reading some of the posts on here about natives makes me think that we are back in the early 1900's and we live in the south.

Hypocrite: : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

All of a sudden you have a couple "native" friends and now you feel like you're living in the early 1900s. Have you told your "native" friends about all the times you bitched about tribal nets and "native" poachers?

You used to bad mouth indians with the best of them.

You're getting a bit self-righteous don't ya' think?

[colockumelk]

I'm not Native but have friends that are and I bet that about 90% of the people that sit on here and bitch about the Natives hunting rights would do the same thing that they do if you were born with brown skin. Just reading some of the posts on here about natives makes me think that we are back in the early 1900's and we live in the south.

I agree.  That's why WE have regulations.  What most are upset about it the LACK of regulations.  It is IMPOSSIBLE to properly regulate a population of animals when one group of people can kill whatever whenever.  Can't be done.  That's why responsible and ethical game departments ie WDFW IDFW etc have game regulations and seasons.  Whereas unethical and unresponsible game departments such as our local Indian tribes do not have such regs thus the end result is you have a bunch of people who take advantage of the regs and kill whatever whenever.  Every year a certain family in the Yakama tribe kills more branch bulls each year in the Colockum than all of us Americans do combined.  

Its not the 1800's its 2010.  Its time they acted like it and begin a modern game managment plan like the rest of us have to follow.  Also whatever happened to everyone being treated equally.  The fact that they can kill whatever whenever and we can't is called DISCRIMINATION  here's what Webster has to say about discrimination.

treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

I have yet to have a single Indian come up with a valid comback to this definition.  I would LOVE for someone to tell me how this type of discrimination is okay.  The \Jim Crow laws were unnacceptable.  So are these laws.  Discrimination is wrong no matter what.  

[colockumelk]

I forgot to mention the reason I brought up Jim Crow laws.  Members say it is their treaty rights and laws etc and thus they shouldn't change.  If something is wrong it should and CAN change.  The Jim Crow laws were wrong and were eventually deemed unconstitutional based on their discriminatory nature.  These "laws" can and will eventually change mark my words.  Gregoire will eventually be gone and replaced with another.  That's when things will finally start to change for the good.   

[Team Baze]

I'm not Native but have friends that are and I bet that about 90% of the people that sit on here and bitch about the Natives hunting rights would do the same thing that they do if you were born with brown skin. Just reading some of the posts on here about natives makes me think that we are back in the early 1900's and we live in the south.

Hypocrite: : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings




All of a sudden you have a couple "native" friends and now you feel like you're living in the early 1900s. Have you told your "native" friends about all the times you bitched about tribal nets and "native" poachers?

You used to bad mouth indians with the best of them.

You're getting a bit self-righteous don't ya' think?

Thanks Rick for the definition of hypocrite.  

Here is another one: Loyalty: the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations. When I'm friends with someone I'm loyal, I'm not going to sit back and let people talk sh*t about my friends and do nothing about it.

You are absoululey right I use to bad mouth them until I got to know more then a few of them and if you would have read my other post I said it was the 10% that give the other 90% a bad name just like sportsmen.

By me stating that "if you were born with brown skin you would do the same" doesn't make me a "self-righteous". I was just stating the facts!

By the way just because I make two statements about the Indians you and Brian think I'm some spokesperson for them? It is called actually getting to know them and sticking up for your friends.

[Rick]

By me stating that "if you were born with brown skin you would do the same" doesn't make me a spokesperson for the Indians I was just stating the facts.
By the way just because I make two statements about the Indians you and Brian think I'm some spokesperson for them? It is called actually getting to know them and sticking up for your friends.

Actually,"having brown skin and doing the same" isn't a fact,thats your opinion.

And yea,you do come across as a spokesperson for them. You need the definition of that also?

You're doing what you do best...stirring up *censored*.

[Team Baze]

Since we are getting into definitoins here is one for you;

Loyalty: the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations. When I'm friends with someone I'm loyal, I'm not going to sit back and let people talk sh*t about my friends and do nothing about it.

As for there rights whether you agree with them or not It isn't going to change so people need to get over it and get on with their lives.

I'm not the only one on here with this feeling so why aren't you talking sh*t to them?