wolf poll

[Lowedog]

If you are going to use Lewis and Clark for example then how do you explain the huge packs of wolves they saw following the bison and elk herds on the plains? 

Wolves like to eat bison too, but bison are larger animals, were in larger groups, and were harder for wolves to impact the population. I'm not sure what you mean here?

What I mean is that the wolves that preyed on bison and elk on the great plains 200 years ago were more than likely the larger subspecies of gray wolf since they were described as following the herds in “vast assemblages”. 

I can understand your assumption, but I think the largest wolves were the McKenzie wolves in northern Canada. The plains wolves were a different variety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Valley_Wolf



I think these are good measures for Idaho to take in trying to get the wolf de-listed again but for me it makes me wonder if Malloy would have ruled the other way would these measures like declaring disaster be happening. 

[bearpaw]

If you are going to use Lewis and Clark for example then how do you explain the huge packs of wolves they saw following the bison and elk herds on the plains?  

Wolves like to eat bison too, but bison are larger animals, were in larger groups, and were harder for wolves to impact the population. I'm not sure what you mean here?

What I mean is that the wolves that preyed on bison and elk on the great plains 200 years ago were more than likely the larger subspecies of gray wolf since they were described as following the herds in “vast assemblages”.  

I can understand your assumption, but I think the largest wolves were the McKenzie wolves in northern Canada. The plains wolves were a different variety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Valley_Wolf



I think these are good measures for Idaho to take in trying to get the wolf de-listed again but for me it makes me wonder if Malloy would have ruled the other way would these measures like declaring disaster be happening.  

Well it certainly wouldn't be as bad if they could plan on hunting wolves, but Malloy has forced Idaho into a corner. The state simply can not allow some of these higher wolf infested areas to worsen, it is suicide to do so.

Give wolves 5 to 10 years in WA under their silly proposed plan and I can tell you, the same thing will happen here. Maybe Seattle is in love with wolves, but people who have to live with them quickly lose their love.

I think what makes me most upset is the arrogance displayed by WDFW in their proposal, they ignore facts and rely on disney-science.

[Special T]

I'm just sorry it took a state like ID so long to tell the feds to pound sand... If it were me I'd be like Wyoming and say that if the feds want to force the issue they can enforce the law... My thought is ID is maneuvering for cover for when they tell the feds off... Finally..

[bearpaw]

I'm just sorry it took a state like ID so long to tell the feds to pound sand... If it were me I'd be like Wyoming and say that if the feds want to force the issue they can enforce the law... My thought is ID is maneuvering for cover for when they tell the feds off... Finally..

You are correct, Idaho F&G is in big trouble with their residents as their former director illegally agreed with USFWS to import wolves against the mandate of the state legislature. I think before it's over in Montana, some one will be replaced in F&G.

Wyoming has it right and they are sticking by their guns.

[Special T]

I find it amazing the states that i considered had "Real Men" Id MT were the biggest panty waists....Wyoming was totally off my radar as far as independent "Real Men"... I guess when i think where the west still lives it will have to Wyoming

[bearpaw]

It's not the people of Idaho or Montana, it's the agencies that have put them in the situation they are in. For example the head of the Montana Wildlife Commission was part of the initial wolf recovery co-ordinators. Then he got on with MT FWP so he has had great influence. The people of Montana are about fed up with the situation. In Idaho the former director in 1995 illegally signed the agreement with the USFWS to allow the re-introduction after the state legislature passed legislation against it. So what has happened is that the wolf lovers have essentially infiltrated the agencies, much the same scenario as here in WA. Our WDFW endangered species division is controlled by wolf lovers, that is the reason the draft wolf plan reads as it does. Wyoming and Utah are the only two states I know of whos state agencies have taken a stand thereby preventing excessive numbers of wolves in their state.

[Special T]

Somebody voted in idiots??? The appointed hired these people.... A customer of mine from the whitefish area said MT has been infiltrated by Californians fleeing their state for the last 10 years. I guess Wyoming has just been overlooked from this infection, and not enough people(from California) want to live in the Mormon state???  Sounds like I'll be picking one of those 2 states for several reasons.. 

[summit creek]

i think it should be open 12 months a year no bag limit

[HORSEPOWER]

Definately eradication.  I've witnessed first hand what has happened in areas of Montana and with Lolo elk hunting. Now, here on my own farm/ranch in Eastern WA, the 600# calves killed on the neighbors place, the changes in the elk herd (that WDFW is trying to expand).  Everyone will end up paying for this one way or another no matter what side of the fence you are on. 

[Huntbear]

Gentlemen,

I was at CWU this week and listened to Carter Niemeyer and Jay Kehne.  The message is simple.  Wolves are here to stay.  Get over it and get used to it.  We as sportsmen have no say!  Period!

There will be hunting of wolves allowed as soon as they can verify the 15 breeding pairs for 3 years.  So the best thing anyone can do is ALWAYS have at least a Point & Shoot digital camera in hand at all times when in the woods.  If you see wolves or wolf sign, document it, and photograph it.  That way the Dept. of Watchable Wildlife can send in people to dart and collar and monitor the packs.  Without this being done.. it could be years and years and years before they "VERIFY" those 15 breeding pairs.

[Bean Counter]

So 15 bp's is completely a decision by the state? As in, even if the feds took zero interest in wolf recovery?

[Huntbear]

So 15 bp's is completely a decision by the state? As in, even if the feds took zero interest in wolf recovery?

You got it.. this was a decision made by the state Biologists figuring out how to make a viable sustainable population in this state. 

[Recurve-Elk]

Heres my 

I put eradicate.  (disclaimer, I haven't done much research on this topic at all)  To the best of my understanding, the wolves at issue are non-native.  Therefore I say eradicate the things because they aren't supposed to be here.  If we were talking about a native species of wolves that once did roam these woods, then I would vote for management by hunting like any other animal.   

[Kowsrule30]

There is no need for them...

[Special T]

I think the main problem is my definition of "Sound MGT" and the states do not resemble each other. De listing in the NE and keeping them on the run for the rest of the state sounds good to me. If the feds say delist then i say we should. AND the feds should not really have a say in what we do in this state. really we should be more like WY.