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Not to sound vicious but,you and many others make a living on the killing of game animals for sport,and you bring in many outta state hunters to kill the game at a high price.Much like bringing the wolves from somewhere else that kills the states animals...Is that not what the other side has for fodder to the argument.I cant make it work in my mind where you have a dog in the fight other than for monetary pourposes..isn't it how the masses that we need to sway might see it.
Quote from: rasbo on September 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AMNot to sound vicious but,you and many others make a living on the killing of game animals for sport,and you bring in many outta state hunters to kill the game at a high price.Much like bringing the wolves from somewhere else that kills the states animals...Is that not what the other side has for fodder to the argument.I cant make it work in my mind where you have a dog in the fight other than for monetary pourposes..isn't it how the masses that we need to sway might see it.His out of state hunters are not killing livestock.... or nearly as many game animals.
Quote from: grundy53 on September 14, 2010, 10:43:48 AMQuote from: rasbo on September 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AMNot to sound vicious but,you and many others make a living on the killing of game animals for sport,and you bring in many outta state hunters to kill the game at a high price.Much like bringing the wolves from somewhere else that kills the states animals...Is that not what the other side has for fodder to the argument.I cant make it work in my mind where you have a dog in the fight other than for monetary pourposes..isn't it how the masses that we need to sway might see it.His out of state hunters are not killing livestock.... or nearly as many game animals. grundy your missing the point,look at the battle outside our scope and how its viewed by those we are trying to sway towards a better management program..
Quote from: rasbo on September 14, 2010, 10:53:04 AMQuote from: grundy53 on September 14, 2010, 10:43:48 AMQuote from: rasbo on September 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AMNot to sound vicious but,you and many others make a living on the killing of game animals for sport,and you bring in many outta state hunters to kill the game at a high price.Much like bringing the wolves from somewhere else that kills the states animals...Is that not what the other side has for fodder to the argument.I cant make it work in my mind where you have a dog in the fight other than for monetary pourposes..isn't it how the masses that we need to sway might see it.His out of state hunters are not killing livestock.... or nearly as many game animals. grundy your missing the point,look at the battle outside our scope and how its viewed by those we are trying to sway towards a better management program..Actually I thought we were trying to sway the wdfw
Again, where is the proof that the wolves in WA are anything other than wolves who have moved here from north of the border and that wolves that were here before eradication were any different. Were not talking thousands of miles here, we are not FL or AR, you and I could walk from where we live to where "Canadian" wolves are supposedly native. Yes, wolves were wiped out because they were competition to cattle men but also because they were competition to hunters and because historically man has always had a fear of wolves. There were areas that after predators were wiped that the game animals flourished and became the holy grail of hunting like the Kaibab. Guess what happened there though, the animals overgrazed and almost wiped themselves out and if not for intervention of man rehabilitating the landscape it would have become a wasteland. I ask again, if wolves that were native to the lower 48 were the smaller sub species that we call timber wolves that are so much smaller and hunted in singles and doubles and not in large packs why were they eradicated? How could those animals have been such a threat to cattle men and hunters that they felt they had to wipe out every last one of them?
So Indigenous or not, what are the real benefits of having wolves?