Wolfplant? Who Is This Man With The Drugged Wolf?

[Ray]

Grow up? I was the only one who acted as an adult.

If you want to follow some jerk around who cares not about his methods and who he insults around that is your place. Carrying on over here. There's good reasoning for that. I'm pretty sure that Scott declared me as unwanted. Why carry on any conversation with someone else who has declared you unwanted outcast? As far as I am concerned his methods are completely unsound. I was very willing to act like an adult and have the entire time. I think your hero Scott has simply diminished his credibilty and if those are going to be his methods for getting his job done, he's going to alienate a lot more people and ruin his cause.

When you think you have to have ranks and that you are untouchable on the level he does then the situation is ripe for problems. He entered into his argument upon his terms and on his turf and leveled insults against someone he didn't even know. Instead of acting like an out of control hothead he should have used reasoning. He should not be alienating someone based upon his own irrational behavior and drawing conclusions based upon his own emotions.

If that is the best he has then I don't think he is someone worth following.

Furthermore I think that you are acting in a childish manner right here. You have not used any logical reason to rebutt any of my points on any matter other than you like Scott and his content regarding wolves. None of which really has much to do with my interactions with him. Go blindly follow your heros around. Let this be a lesson to your circle of friends though. I don't think my experience and summary is characterized as anything but rational.

[whacker1]

It is a very emotional Situation for a lot of people, but keeping those emotions in check is the most important piece of the equation.  Because everyone on the perifery deals in perspective "their Perspective of the issue"  and the other side, pro wolf, knows how to exploit emotion and perspective. 

[Ray]

I believe I have been the brunt of enough of his personal jabs. Many people I know would have never been able to keep their cool under his barrage of crap. I think it's a testament to the honest summary I have provided.

[Special T]

I find it interesting that in politics (not just the wolf issue) that when one group/person tries to take the high  road, through facts and documentation, and slips all of a sudden they are a hypocrite / pariahs...  Its hard to be perfect all the time... Don't know anyone who has successful at it.  I know when i feel I'm pushing $hit up hill at work I don't think things through all the time... Most people don't have the fortitude in the first place to buck the system, let alone work against it for a long time with little return/ change for your time.. My old man said 2 things.... If its a volunteer effort and you don't like something, buck up or shut up!  the second is its easier to see a crack in the windshield when its not covered in $hit....
I think Scott could and should do better... But I'm not gona dedicate the time and $$ he has on the subject so i'll take him as he is.....

[wolfbait]

I believe I have been the brunt of enough of his personal jabs. Many people I know would have never been able to keep their cool under his barrage of crap. I think it's a testament to the honest summary I have provided.

Where you have your wires crossed Ray is this fight isn't about one or two people, this is every state that has wolves fighting, looking for answers. If you actually knew Scott you would understand that. But you don't know him do you? Yet you wrote what you did for what reason? Scott has seen what has happened, he knows what is going to happen to WA, he is helping every state. What have you done RAY? What has anyone DONE caompared to Rockholm? He took the fight on because WHY? Did you know that the trapper that brought the first wolves into the YNP and Idaho was at the picture taking also? There are many things we don't know yet, this is not over. Out of this little spat you concocked what RAy?

(I believe I have been the brunt of enough of his personal jabs. Many people I know would have never been able to keep their cool under his barrage of crap)  

You got to be kidding me, *censored* if you can't keep your cool under that little bit you better go find some shade, and for sure you need to stay out of any any wolf arguments with the pro-wolf side. because they will eat you alive in a pair of seconds. I think you owe Scott an apology RAY. Shake hands and quit playing this game that the pro-wolf side just loves to see. or you can bull-up and continue on with this. It don't hurt us near as much as it does you.

[jackelope]

I don't think Ray was the one having a problem keeping his cool.
 It doesn't take too much to see that.
 

[wolfbait]

Jackelope I don't see you too much on the wolf issue unless you think you can nock those of us who are against wolves down. You crack me up Tell me where did the lookout pack come from? which lie will we go with today?

[Ray]

wolfbait I'll rest and let the public be the judge of your remarks and Scott's actions. It would not suprise me that some people will continue to stand behind him. I respect much of his work but if he believes that he is above the clouds then that will make his fall much farther when he makes mistakes. I provided insight into this whole wolf issue as a standard issue, common man so that others who decide to follow can get an understanding about the methods and personalities behind the so called mission.

[tlbradford]

My buddy ran into a contracted trapper in a drainage by Northport.  He was using cage traps and relocating.  He would not say where they are relocating to.  

Wacoyotehunter, is this the same trapper?  How many are being employed at this time by the various government agencies?  Where are they taking these wolves?  

Thanks in advance.

[WAcoyotehunter]

To my knowledge, there are no government wolf trappers using cage traps.  The state hired a seasonal guy to trap wolves this year.  He must have known his stuff, because he trapped five just in PO county.  Four were diamond pack animals (one pup, three subadults) and the latest 50 lb subadult up north.  I think they all use legholds.

BTW- the reason Carter Neimeyer was at the "photo location" was because he was the trapper on contract to help locate the diamond pack after howling verification of the den site or rendezvous site was obtained.  He was there because he's one of the best in the field and the state needed someone RI(GHT THEN...he was available to help.

[Gringo31]

Where you have your wires crossed Ray is this fight isn't about one or two people, this is every state that has wolves fighting, looking for answers.

Wolfbait,
I agree with your above statement in except for the part that Ray has his wires crossed.  The fight ISN'T about one or two people, we need to stick together on these things.  Scott is the one that owes an apology.  He is too quick to disregard someone as an enemy when he needs all the good people he can get.  Scott made the statement that most of the hunt-wa guys are wolf lovers.  I believe he has spent a long enough fighting that he has lost focus on who he needs to be aiming at.

We see this all the time in the hunting networks.  Archers against rifle guys, high fence vs free range, governors tag vs special draw permits and the list goes on and on.  Like Bearpaw has said several times, we need to stick together and only address issues that are illegal.  Self division will only hurt the side that is divided....meaning us.

That photo seems to have some "issues' with it and there were some valid questions that came from it.  I ask that we all keep our cools (as Ray has done), we try not to get so emotional and clear our heads on who and what is truly worth fighting for.

Regards,
Gringo

[pendoreilleadventures]

I will not name him but I have been a personnel friend of the man in the photo for over 15 years and he is a sportsman and not an Anti hunting tree lover. In fact he killed a wolf in Idaho last year. He is doing everything he can to help the WDF&G to locate and track the movement of wolves in Pend Oreille County, and has been for many years.  He is an upstanding sportsman who has done more for wildlife in Washington than most people will ever know. This whole conspiracy theory crap is just that CRAP. IDF&G has documented wolves traveling over a 6 state area. The Wolves in Washington are just like the Moose. This state had almost no Moose before the 1970’s.  Slowly the Moose population grew to what is now. The same thing is happening with the wolves. No one planted them! The wolves came here naturally. IDF&Gs biologist have documented wolves traveling over 200+ miles. Don’t get me wrong here wolves need to be controlled or the elk and deer populations will continue to be severely affected.

People like Scott Rockholm are making things worse with their pissing matches with the anti’s it just adds fuel to the fire. The anti hunting groups have millions and millions of dollars behind them and we don’t. Scott just fuels their fire and makes them work that much harder to fight to save the wolves. Scott Rockholm should know who this guy is and has definitely lost face with me.

Sure we all know there are 10 times the wolves then what are documented, the problem with that is judges only can base their judgments on facts and that means what can be proven on paper through solid science not what people estimate. The best thing for people to do is go out and document your sighting. Take pictures of wolves, and their tracks if you think you have fur from one take it give to fish and game help them prove there are more wolves. On a legal standpoint the judge has to go with the facts. Until us as hunters make every effort to prove exactly how many wolves there are and quit pointing finger at fish and wildlife and thinking up these stupid conspiracy theories. Instead work with them to show them the packs you have located and give them every bit of info you can.

[wolfbait]

wolfbait I'll rest and let the public be the judge of your remarks and Scott's actions. It would not suprise me that some people will continue to stand behind him. I respect much of his work but if he believes that he is above the clouds then that will make his fall much farther when he makes mistakes. I provided insight into this whole wolf issue as a standard issue, common man so that others who decide to follow can get an understanding about the methods and personalities behind the so called mission.

You just do that RAY. I know Scott personally and your ideas of him are wrong, your judgements of him are wrong. You still don't get it do you, no one stands behind or follows anyone we all work together. This isn't about a power trip for anyone. The wolves are killing our wildlife, livestock, ruining hunting and small communtiy economies. Tell me Ray what are my personalities I would really like to compare them to what my wife says. What about my methods RAY, you think I can improve some way? Maybe wishy washy and ride both sides of the fence? Or when things turn to *censored* should I bail out and try to lay the blame on someone else? Well that isn't for me RAY. I see only one side to these wolves and that would be they don't belong in the lower 48. Those who brought them down knew this, thats why they did it, they knew what these wolves would do. Why do you think it has been so crooked from the very beginning? Take a drive over into Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana where they have had to deal with this wolf, and then come back and tell me how much you know about personalities.
 

[wolfbait]

I will not name him but I have been a personnel friend of the man in the photo for over 15 years and he is a sportsman and not an Anti hunting tree lover. In fact he killed a wolf in Idaho last year. He is doing everything he can to help the WDF&G to locate and track the movement of wolves in Pend Oreille County, and has been for many years.  He is an upstanding sportsman who has done more for wildlife in Washington than most people will ever know. This whole conspiracy theory crap is just that CRAP. IDF&G has documented wolves traveling over a 6 state area. The Wolves in Washington are just like the Moose. This state had almost no Moose before the 1970’s.  Slowly the Moose population grew to what is now. The same thing is happening with the wolves. No one planted them! The wolves came here naturally. IDF&Gs biologist have documented wolves traveling over 200+ miles. Don’t get me wrong here wolves need to be controlled or the elk and deer populations will continue to be severely affected.

People like Scott Rockholm are making things worse with their pissing matches with the anti’s it just adds fuel to the fire. The anti hunting groups have millions and millions of dollars behind them and we don’t. Scott just fuels their fire and makes them work that much harder to fight to save the wolves. Scott Rockholm should know who this guy is and has definitely lost face with me.

Sure we all know there are 10 times the wolves then what are documented, the problem with that is judges only can base their judgments on facts and that means what can be proven on paper through solid science not what people estimate. The best thing for people to do is go out and document your sighting. Take pictures of wolves, and their tracks if you think you have fur from one take it give to fish and game help them prove there are more wolves. On a legal standpoint the judge has to go with the facts. Until us as hunters make every effort to prove exactly how many wolves there are and quit pointing finger at fish and wildlife and thinking up these stupid conspiracy theories. Instead work with them to show them the packs you have located and give them every bit of info you can.

I won't spend to much time on you. #1 I know for a fact that WDFW have released several wolves in WA. #2 People like Scott Raockholm bring out the truth about wolves and the crooks in state management. #3 WDFW could care less about the wolf sightings that are turned in unless it is some place they haven't already planted wolves #4 WDFW have been caught in so many lies already any crediblity they might have had is shot stait to hell. I think thats about enough for right now. Cheers

[WAcoyotehunter]

I would like to see any real evidence of a wolf release.  Obviously this photo has turned out to be a joke.  Does real evidence exist? 
Are you serious about taking this to court with WDFW?