Author Topic: Black tails scraping (Read 9697 times)

alecvg · « **on:** March 23, 2008, 05:40:25 PM »

HEy got a deer questain... Do blacktails scrape? Ive seen scrapes on the westside in an area were there arent many elk if any, i ask because in field and stream a few monthes back it said they didn't scrape at all. I dont think that is correct.

SkookumHntr · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2008, 06:20:31 PM »

---Yes, they do.

Michelle_Nelson · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2008, 06:22:26 PM »

russ · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2008, 06:27:23 PM »

indeed they do.

boneaddict · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:14:35 PM »

You maybe getting two terms mixed up. Scrape is digging or pawing an open dirt area and peeing in it, along with a lick branch overhead. A rub is when they tear the bark off the tree with their antlers. Blacktails and muleys don't scrape like whitetails, they create licks, not nearly the frequency that whitetails make scrapes.

Timber · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:19:35 PM »

You beat me to it boneaddict. Blacktails do rub trees, but do not make scrapes like whitetails. Here is an example of the two together, made by a whitetail.

billythekidrock · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:24:14 PM »

We call those hookings or buck rubs. And yes, blacktails do make scrapes once in a while. I have seen a couple and they were all near trails with buck rubs.

PolarBear · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:26:20 PM »

Yep. Last fall a little 3 pt blackie tore up a crabapple tree that I had planted in my yard for my Dad. Not only did he rub all the bark off and kill it but he also tore up the ground around and pissed in it. I was as pissed as the ground!

My wife wanted me to hang my tag on him but I refuse to shoot pets, unless they are steers.

actionshooter · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:29:09 PM »

I have seen a blacktail in the proccess of a scrape, at the time I couldn't figure what the heck the little bugger was doing as I'm not a whitetail hunter. It was a while before I put 2+2 together.

rougheye · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:29:40 PM »

How much for a steer tag? I here they did well this winter.

PolarBear · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:37:40 PM »

I only have heffers right now but next spring I'll have a new crop. I could get one at the sale and let you "hunt" it for a few hundred bucks.

rougheye · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:42:14 PM »

SOLD!!!!!! I need something to hunt.Dont tell theWDFW or they will find a way to charge both of us.

Red Dawg · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:53:01 PM »

best money you will ever spend. I have only seen a blacktail scrape once. But they do piss on themselves enough though.

MountainWalk · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2008, 07:55:02 PM »

i was curious myself, i didnt think they did,, asked an old man down the road.. he said no... mostly if you seen sumthin "scraped out,, its a cougar.. they make little piss scrapes he said

coonhound · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2008, 08:17:21 PM »

I seen it once up near Packwood, I was hunting a ridge during elk season and found at least 7 or 8 scrapes, no doubt it was made by a deer the tracks were all over and there were several fresh rubs to boot.

Coon

alecvg · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:58:51 PM »

Thank all of you very much, now i have this cleared up

boneaddict · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2008, 06:33:17 AM »

Polarbear you crack me up.

PolarBear · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2008, 06:25:00 PM »

What did I do now?

boneaddict · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2008, 07:17:21 AM »

Well one, the deer getting the fruit tree reminds me of Idabooner and his pet that totally shredded a bunch of his trees, and then the steer or heffer season.

gkowen · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2009, 09:52:51 PM »

I was putting my cameras back in my area in Lewis County that I have been gettting alot of buck photos. I noticed a fresh rub on a tree 20 yards or so away from me. It seems very early for that, its only July 12. About 4 feet away from the rub was an area where the ground was cleared of all the fir needles and it was torn up. It was oval shaped and about 2 1/2 feet wide. I didn't think blacktails made scrapes either but this was a scrape. It is early for sure though for this kind of activity. Anyway, I have a camera set up on it. We will see if its real or some hunter making a mock scrape and peeing in it himself. If its a hunter I plan on making an 8x10 print and leaving it on the scrape. Actually, I have no doubt this was made by a deer.

littlebuf · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2009, 10:06:12 PM »

why wouldn't black tails scrape? ive never heard of black tails being a deer that doesn't scrape

bow4elk · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2009, 10:27:25 PM »

Quote from: littlebuf on July 12, 2009, 10:06:12 PM

why wouldn't black tails scrape? ive never heard of black tails being a deer that doesn't scrape

Whitetails and Blacktails are different species of deer, therefore they have different behaviors and rituals for mating. All deer use their preorbital gland, located below each eye (contains a foul smelling waxy substance that is that deer's fingerprint in the deer world), to leave their mark in and around their home range. They also have a gland on the forehead that provides additional scent to the trees they rub and thrash during the pre-rut and peak-rut phases of the breeding cycle.

But making scrapes - pawing out a clearing, urinating, and chewing/licking and rubbing preorbital scent on a "licking branch" is purely whitetail behavior and not done by Columbian Blacktail deer. Scrapes occur on the perimeter of openings, field, and travel routes. There are many studies published on scraping behavior if you want to learn more about the science and physiology of it all.

littlebuf · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2009, 10:40:34 PM »

thats all real nice but black tails still do scrape

bow4elk · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2009, 10:51:10 PM »

It's not the normal mating ritual behavior, regardless of you may see from time to time. Not saying they can't or won't, but it's not a common behavior. Also, there are Columbian Whitetails in western Washington, western Oregon and a pocket in northwestern California. They exhibit all of the typical whitetail behaviors of any other whitetail, and they DO interbreed with Columbian blacktails, though infrequently. In this case, it would be quite possible to see traditional whitetail rutting behavior in a blacktail.

RyanD · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2009, 06:35:35 AM »

My wife and I watched a forked horn buck make a scrape last year on an old overgrown road. We watched this for about 5 min as he pawed the ground peed in it and worked a branch overhead. Before I had seen this I would have said they don't make scrapes but I watched it last year with my own eyes.

rasbo · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2009, 06:38:35 AM »

well the blacktail comes from the whietail,I seen a big scrape in the winston unit,and blew the hunt,while I was checking out the scrape the buck made off,but not withiut me getting a good look at him

boneaddict · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2009, 06:44:30 AM »

Not normally littlebuf. As stated, it can happen, but its not something you'd normally find and when they do it, its not generally like a whitetails. Muledeer do it too. Its generally referred to as a lick though. Looks more like a dug out bed where they piss and roll, again, unlike whitetails.

gkowen · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2009, 07:32:51 AM »

It will be interesting what the camera shows. The thing that stumps me is it is near a rub on a tree. It is obvious this rub is fresh. It is the second I have seen in this area. It seems very early for the buck to be working the velvet off.

boneaddict · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2009, 07:58:09 AM »

way early.

littlebuf · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2009, 08:18:30 PM »

well maybe it's just different then, ive never hunted white tails just the blackies so what im calling a scrape may be the wrong terminology in the deer world but it's what i know

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