good day 4 the tribe

[krout81]

Im new, but All I can say is if they did it by the rules then fine........
HOWEVER when I was 8 years old hunting archery near Forks, WA my father and I heard a lot of machine gun fire coming from a ways off near the HOH River Rainforest National boundry.  Later that day we saw game wardens on the road so we went over to see.  There was 18 dead elk..... 2 missing horns, all missing backstraps and Ivories, a few missing hind quarters.  Most of the elk had several bullet holes.  This has left a lasting impression on me since 6 years later the once 60plus herds we chased arround during early season when you could shoot any elk, has now been reduced to 3-point or better for the last 14 years.  The last time I went over there and walked the same trails I did along HOH River I saw very little sign and the elk I did see were in groups of 5-10 not the massive herds that used to roam.  You can't tell me that the impact some tribal members has left isn't felt.  This is proof in my book and if we are to ever function as an equal society then we should all be equal in accordance with the laws of 2010 and not dwell on the past.
 PS this was 21 years ago for those who care, and I will never forget it.

[Practical Approach]

Im new, but All I can say is if they did it by the rules then fine........
HOWEVER when I was 8 years old hunting archery near Forks, WA my father and I heard a lot of machine gun fire coming from a ways off near the HOH River Rainforest National boundry.  Later that day we saw game wardens on the road so we went over to see.  There was 18 dead elk..... 2 missing horns, all missing backstraps and Ivories, a few missing hind quarters.  Most of the elk had several bullet holes.  This has left a lasting impression on me since 6 years later the once 60plus herds we chased arround during early season when you could shoot any elk, has now been reduced to 3-point or better for the last 14 years.  The last time I went over there and walked the same trails I did along HOH River I saw very little sign and the elk I did see were in groups of 5-10 not the massive herds that used to roam.  You can't tell me that the impact some tribal members has left isn't felt.  This is proof in my book and if we are to ever function as an equal society then we should all be equal in accordance with the laws of 2010 and not dwell on the past.
 PS this was 21 years ago for those who care, and I will never forget it.

  That's too bad.  I hear stories such as the one you have shared throughout the state when I travel. Sometimes it is tribal member stories and sometimes its nontribal poachers.  Unfortunately this stuff happens, it sucks, and I am glad to hear that the wardens were on it.  However, one thing you mention that I found interesting is that you refer to back in the days when herds were larger and you could shoot any elk.  Were you referring to cows too?  That in itself is probably the largest reason the populations declined.  You cannot build an elk herd and shoot your cows too.

[krout81]

I am not saying the unit should be open for cows it just proves that there is a problem up there.  In the new area I hunt I have taken 3 cows and 1 bull.  The herds are the same today as they were in 99 when I stared hunting the unit.  I am no Bioligist so I will leave the management of the herd up to the Professionals who decide what can be shot and what can't.  I am just stating fact that at least on the westside of the state they do very well, and when they tell me I can only shoot a bull then so be it.  You say that shooting cows will never build up the heard well look at the herds in Packwood/Randle during the fall/winter.  Even in the summer they look mal nurished.  That unit has been closed for cows longer than I can remember and now the herd is suffering.  I am not saying the job is an easy one.  There is a delicate balance that has to be accomplished for healthy herds of anything.  I am just happy to be running through the woods and enjoying the thrill of the hunt, and every once and while load up the freezer with so meat. 

[pods8]

I have a great idea why don't we give them whisky and blankets infected with smallpox. Round up the ones that don't die or we haven't killed and put them on a post stamp size piece of land. Then we'll take there kids away and send them to some *censored*ed up boarding school, beat them and give them white people names. Who's with me!!!!

Pretty much any race has had a rough time in the past whether its black, Irish, Jews, Polish, Mexican, etc.  However they are held to the same laws are the rest of US citizens on US soil.  Don't try and pretend the indians had it worse than the slaves or something of that nature. 

[runamuk]

I have a great idea why don't we give them whisky and blankets infected with smallpox. Round up the ones that don't die or we haven't killed and put them on a post stamp size piece of land. Then we'll take there kids away and send them to some *censored*ed up boarding school, beat them and give them white people names. Who's with me!!!!

Pretty much any race has had a rough time in the past whether its black, Irish, Jews, Polish, Mexican, etc.  However they are held to the same laws are the rest of US citizens on US soil.  Don't try and pretend the indians had it worse than the slaves or something of that nature. 

Yep...pretty much all people have been persecuted and downtrodden at some point in history how far back shall we go should we start a injustices rating scale to decide who gets what entitlements

[Whitefoot]

O wow! grow up!

[monster_bull]

this one time i was hunting and i heard a rocket launcher go off and i see a lot of game wardens driving in cars and i went to go see what was going on and the indians had 30 monster bulls and they only took one tooth and one horn from each. it was horrible.   

[monster_bull]

Oh ya and if you guys don't like it get back on the mayflower and leave.  Oh no watch out the Indians are shooting
there machine guns again at all the elk in forks.

[Lowedog]

Oh ya and if you guys don't like it get back on the mayflower and leave.

That was pretty funny.     Stupid but funny.

[Special T]

Whitefoot, Mosterbull, and other Tribesmen..... What do you think the answer is, If i concede you have special hunting rights? I doubt good tribesmen of any tribe think wasting game is a good thing... I have friends from the Yakima's and am curious what you think... I doubt you are a hunting/fishing slob because you are here seeking knowledge to be a better outdoors-man. I know all tribes are not the same and there are many members here from different tribes. I know that there is an NW Indian fisheries Commission to try and help the tribes as a whole. ( I know this from the quarterly magazine they produce.)

I challenge you to speak up and explain so that we can better understand and together be better stewards of the gifts God has given us...

I look forward to hearing your insights.

[Whitefoot]

Concede? Hmmm! I understand your point of view to work your a## off for one elk.  It doens't seem fair.  But it is a lot different to be able to hunt at different times and different places. Avoiding all the people in a certain unit.  So yeah it is a special right.  But I think after listening to everyone I don't try to rub it in peoples face because it causes a lot of anger, frustration and hate.  Been there!! I honestly like helping people up there when they get all pumped.
  I think a lot of things get blown out of the water.  Then everybody else feeds off it and it makes it worse. 
Yeah, I think everyone agrees on the purpose of hunting an elk is for all the meat.  But I was curious to where this was?  Because I don't recognize who it was!     Thanks to this hunting-washington.com everybody knows where the clock is now..  Juss another year before they figure all the roads out..   

[stewcamp]

Whitefoot, Do you honestly think every member from the Yakima tribe hunts solely for meat? There have been instances where spike antlers were left on fence posts on th way into the Colockum. A stab at the general hunting population? YOU BET. This is in poor taste and is giving you all a bad name. Sure there are other factors to the decline of the heard but when tribal members go up there and shoot as many bulls or cows as they want how is that going to help the situation. If you want the rights of your people then ditch the modern firearms and go to recurve bows. You dont like this, you want to be able to use modern technology that has evolved correct? Well then you should abide by "MODERN" rules and regulations. If you stick up for the small faction that is ruining this area then it leads me to believe you are one of them. It disgust me to see this area have so much negative attention. I agree there are way too many hunters up there and it gets frusterating for families like ours that have hunted that area for 35+ years. Dont try to justify what they are doing because it is wrong and you know it. Or maybe you dont.

[tlbradford]

You are arguing with a fool here. Just go to the Sportsmans shows and see how many big elk racks Whitefoot has his name on. He can argue one side of the issue but he doesn't walk the talk. Just a *censored*bag with unlimited rights.

[MtnMuley]

LMAO!!!

[gonehuntin68]

Everyone should have to go by the hunting regs, its BS i get to wait 15 years for a bull tag and chief killalotaelk gets to shoot whatever