good day 4 the tribe

[Antlerking]

Hey colockumelk  just ignore this last comment the kid made, You did good and keep up the good work. 

[Special T]

MB's statement i think is proof that it is a power struggle... and Run is correct that some of the tribe is trying to rub our faces in it....

[Antlerking]

I am kinda worried about the fact that if we keep this argument going that we might piss em off and then they can really do some damage!  I hate the facts but it also scares me on how much worse it could get. Imagine a van load of 10 or so going up there and getting it done, very scary.

[colockumelk]

colockumelk - i would like to thank you for you articles being put in the paper.... lets all thank him for advertising the colockum to every reader that pics up the paper. thank you for showing the rest of the Rez were it is... its half you fault for putting that crap in the paper. all they had to do is google it. Now instead of a hand full of yakamas hunting the colockum you got a bunch more.. so thank you so much

Wow so you're calling me stupid.  Classy MB.  Classy.  Way to show your true colors.  BTW nice argument. 

[runamuk]

I am kinda worried about the fact that if we keep this argument going that we might piss em off and then they can really do some damage!  I hate the facts but it also scares me on how much worse it could get. Imagine a van load of 10 or so going up there and getting it done, very scary.

well if we can get it on video that might be just over the line enough for them to hang themselves...and thats the thing the abuses have got to be documented and even spread virally online if possible....get some press on this not just in Yakima but elsewhere....

[Special T]

Antler king I actually think a buss load of Indians killing off big bulls is what needs to happen.... The WDFW needs to get serious, and the are gona *censored* foot around  for as long as they can get away from it... FACT Squeaky wheel gets the grease! Government bureaucracies function only when the MUST... I say bring it to the brink of destruction... the quicker the better... Better yet get the WDFW to pull their head out of their ass and not F with the  tribes, Or play hard ball with them...  Bureaucracies try to go along to get along and don't like confrontation.... well it sound like they picked a fight by instituting a hunt in a traditional area the Yakimas used and it didn't work out the way they thought... I guess its time to pay the piper... 

[colockumelk]

I don't think they really picked a fight.  The hunt still goes on.  Only a couple of permits are given out each year and they had permission from the Yakama Nation.  Just some individuals took issue with it.  And while we might not agree with it they took action that under their rules are perfectly legal.     In any case doesn't much matter since the past is the past I guess. 

I agree with your "squeaky wheel" analogy.  Couldn't have said it better myself.  I hope that in 2011 or 2012 people start really pressuring the WDFW to do whats right.  Despite what people think they do listen if enough people raise a fuss.  Just look at GMU 101.  The WDFW was going to allow a late general rifle season in there and enough bow hunters complained that instead they just gave out permits.  Like The Great Barack Obama once said "YES WE CAN"       Just kidding 

[Coastal_native]

I had to back peddle a little bit and clarify that I don't think the WDFW is quite the evil empire that I make it out to be.  It's been my experience that they have very capable intelligent bio's and enforcement agents.  They also do some great research and population monitoring...but when it comes to putting together regs...I'm just not sure how all their hard work gets incorporated.

[Special T]

coastal I think many of us think the same thing... Funny how politics get in the way of all the hard work...

[colockumelk]

Coastal you can put the blame on the WDFW.  The way I see it you have one of two choices on this site.  You can either blame the WDFW or the Indians.  Which ones it gonna be. 

On a serious note I couldn't agree more Coastal Native.  They do have some great people working for them.  Their wildlife bio's and their Wardens do a pretty good job.  It's not them that's the problem.  Unfortunately the people at the top are the ones to blame.  They take what the wildlife bio's and what their predator and big game managers have to say, then yawn and do whatever will help them politically or make the WDFW more money. To them its a business and wildlife managment takes a back seat.  It is too bad because we have some great resources in this state and if things were run correctly I suspect we probably wouldn't even be debating treaty rights and tribal hunting.  But instead our resources have been so mismanaged that we're all squabling and fighting for the scraps that are left over.  And now if wolves are here to stay its only going to get worse.  

[YoterHunter]

why do they even get hunt elk. there tredy rights that they have .say 1855. in 1855 there was no elk in washington .same with the steelhead.

[Special T]

Good points Colockumelk

[Coastal_native]

colockum

I was waiting for you to say that , It's getting a little uncomfortable on this fence.  I'm still new to this forum and I'm pretty sure I know some of these people...gotta watch what I say.

This thread is getting addicting...hunters are opinionated...in a good way. 

Unfortunately King county residents still get to decide what happens in my backyard...wolves...I think I'm gonna be sick.

[Special T]

Coastal there is no rest for us.... U stand for something, or nothing at all... I am happy you CHOOSE to engage opposed to others who do not.  We are brothers of the Hunt and we MUST stand together.... To many hunters fight amongst ourselves denying each others rights making it easier for our enemies to change our hunting heritage...  We likely do not agree on many things but the importance of the hunting tradition is one of them...

[Lowedog]

Want WDFW to do anything?  Lets hit em where it hurts!  Who on here is willing to not give them anymore of your money until they step up and actually do something about this issue?