Two bears poached in NCNP - reward for info

[CAMPMEAT]

Didn't they change a law last year that if you have CCW, you can indeed pack your 2nd amendment right into the parks ?
I do.

[KopperBuck]

You don't need a CCW, the law speaks to any loaded firearm. As long as the owner is legal to own/possess a firearm in that state there isn't an issue. But each NP is capable of having its own regs, with most following state laws where they're located. There also a few NP's that are exempt from this law, meaning there are still a few where you CANNOT have a loaded firearm. Either way, it's worth the research before you head into one.

It took effect this year, I think February..

[Cylvertip]

Correct, everything points to "firearms".... that would not take into account a bow....

[CAMPMEAT]

That's what I thought. I don't go into parks anyhow.............too many greenies are there !!!!

[Ray]

Innocent until proven guilty. Likely the hikers do not have the full or correct story. Many hunters going after bears when deer or elk is not open for modern firearm would not be wearing orange. Second, as previously stated, poachers probably would not be wearing orange. Third, traveling in and out of a park wearing orange is not a crime. Fourth, where's the tangible evidence? All hearsay. Having said all that, hang em high if they are guilty of crime.

[Big w]

This has been confirmed with the ranger district, i don't know why you guys seem to think it is a joke. Here is a little more info.

September 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington

The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.

The Case:

According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.

“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”

[Lowedog]

According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area.

So they left one of the bears??? 

Not sure that anyone thinks it is a joke but what Ray said is probably why you are getting the responses that you are. 

Innocent until proven guilty. Likely the hikers do not have the full or correct story. Many hunters going after bears when deer or elk is not open for modern firearm would not be wearing orange. Second, as previously stated, poachers probably would not be wearing orange. Third, traveling in and out of a park wearing orange is not a crime. Fourth, where's the tangible evidence? All hearsay. Having said all that, hang em high if they are guilty of crime.

[grundy53]

This has been confirmed with the ranger district, i don't know why you guys seem to think it is a joke. Here is a little more info.

September 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington

The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.

The Case:

According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.

“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”

the fact that there is an investigation was confirmed. not that they were poached...

[blacktailer]

Truth about the Humane Society of the United States



HSUS has a history of publicizing false information in an effort to raise money. They do not operate a single pet shelter or pet adoption facility anywhere in the U.S. HSUS spends millions on programs that seek to economically cripple meat and dairy producers; eliminate the use of animals in biomedical research labs; phase out pet breeding, zoos, and circus animal acts; and demonize hunters as crazed lunatics.
Additional information to understand about HSUS:

1. During 2006, HSUS contributed only 4.2 percent of its budget to organizations that operate hands-on dog and cat shelters. In reality, HSUS is a wealthy animal-rights lobbying organization (the largest and richest) that agitates for the same goals as PETA and other radical groups.

2. HSUS raised money online with the false promise that it would "care for the dogs in the Michael Vick case." The New York Times later reported HSUS wasn't caring for Vick's dogs at all. HSUS president Wayne Pacelle told the Times that his group recommended that government officials "put down" the dogs rather than try to adopt them out.

3. HSUS senior management team includes a former spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), a criminal group designated as "terrorists" by the FBI.

4. Less than 12 percent of money raised for HSUS by California telemarketers actually ends up in HSUS's bank account. The rest is kept by professional fundraisers.

5. HSUS raised a reported $34 million in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, supposedly to help reunite lost pets with their owners. Little of that money was spent for its intended purpose. Public disclosures of the disposition of the $34 million in Katrina-related donations add up to less than $7 million.

6. “I don’t have a hands-on fondness for animals…To this day I don’t feel bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I’m kind to them, but there’s no special bond between me and other animals.” Wayne Pacelle, of the Humane Society of the United States, quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 251.

7. “The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration.” — HSUS senior scholar Michael W. Fox


So when did the National Park Service team up with the Human Society.  I'll probably get blasted for this, but knowing that HSUS is involved and will use this case (if found guilty) to further harm our rights as spotrsmen,  I would keep my mouth shut if I knew anything.  They can keep their $2,500!!!

[BlackRidge]

This has been confirmed with the ranger district, i don't know why you guys seem to think it is a joke. Here is a little more info.

September 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington

The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.

The Case:

According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.

“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”

Ok, it got relayed by the NPS and on to the Humane Society.... That doesn't mean those who started the whole thing were aware of what was actually happening. Not many facts involved to back everything up, so its looking more like a few hikers making a mountain out of a potentially harmless molehill.

 

[whacker1]

Big W - as you have seen by other posts.  There is not a lot of fondness for the source of the information being HSUS.  The consistently and repeatedly use of false information in their news releases to control public sentiment and raise money has many of us leary.  They seem to think that it is better to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission when it comes to manipulating public sentiment with false information.  This is a method my wife and I joke about when I want to go get a drink at a local watering hole or the like, but not OK for the media airwaves. 

Anyway - If they are guilty hang them high, but in the mean time they are innocent until proven guilty.  I don't have any information and haven't been in that area for many years.  I do understand it is a serious accusation, and hope that it is resolved. 

[Big w]

The source of information is not from HSUS it first came from the park rangers. Call the F-ing ranger district yourselves. What more do you want? I don't get some of you guys. You think all hikers are anti-hunting? Just because i go hiking does that mean i can't be a hunter?

I just posted this to get the information out there, not to here your conspiracy theories.

[Lowedog]

BigBear, no need to get all worked up.  Where are you getting your info?  Did you get this straight from the NCNP?  You have posted no links to actual news releases on this.  A google search only turns up this thread and the discussion going on over at http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7986685&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105  which was started by someone calling themselves northcascadesranger.   

Sounds like people over @ NWhikers have a lot of the same questions we do. 

Your last post with the quote comes straight from HSUS.

http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2010/09/reward_offered_in_bear_poaching_wa_092710.html

This has been confirmed with the ranger district, i don't know why you guys seem to think it is a joke. Here is a little more info.

September 27, 2010
Reward Offered in Bear Poaching in North Cascades National Park in Washington

The Humane Society of the United States and The Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust are offering a reward of up to $2,500 for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for illegally killing two black bears off of Highway 20 in North Cascades National Park.

The Case:

According to the National Park Service, on Aug. 28, hikers on the Maple Pass Loop trail near Washington Pass observed two male adults and two male adolescents posing for pictures with two bears they had killed. One of the dead bears was later discovered with gunshot wounds by park rangers in the area. Hunting is prohibited within the park’s boundaries.

“Tips from the public can play an incredibly important role in solving poaching cases, and we implore anyone with information about this incident to come forward,” said Dan Paul, Washington state director for The HSUS. “The Humane Society of the United States thanks the National Park Service for their investigation of this crime.”

Still a lot of hearsay.    

[Arcturus]

Hey guys-

I called the Park Service today and they confirmed the story.  2 bears were killed in the NCNP, between Maple Pass and Corteo Pk on August 28.  The physical evidence consists of one dead bear, inside the park, with bullet holes, in the location where park Service employees spotted the 4 men taking pictures and dressing the bear they hauled out.  The Park service employees were not rangers and did not approach the hunters.

You can call the Park Service to confirm if you like.  Some of you that think this was just some silly hikers telling a false story apparently didn't read the earlier posts on this thread.   A dead bear  inside the park with bullet holes, and hunters standing by it, is pretty good evidence.

The actions of a few should not and do not reflect on the community of hunters as a whole. Unless people in that community try to deny that things like this ever happen.  It happened this time, so let's hope the guys that did it turn themselves in and face the music.   

Here is the NCNP service number if you want to call them.   360 854-7249.   If you don't believe that really is them, find their number on your own and call.

B. Britz