I'll agree with Carpsniperg2 and Gutpile, the loads shoot well but the bullets are a little soft. I've tried the ammo in 44, 45, 45-70, 450 Marlin, 30-30, and 35 Rem. All except the 450 Marlin were out of handguns. I think that the bullet is great for the lower handgun velocities, but it didn't hold up that well out of the rifle. Think of it as a 45 caliber ballistic tip.
Andrew