WINCHESTER 284

[ELKBUGLE5]

I have a chance to buy a 1943 Winchester 284, anybody have any thoughts on this rifle?

[Curly]

Great cartridge.  I have a Win M100 in .284.........what model are you looking at? The .284 was introduced in 1963.

[ELKBUGLE5]

I'll have to get back to you on that model, My dad had just called me and said a guy he knows was wanting to sell it for a couple hundred bucks, im gonna look at it on tuesday, then i'll post a pick and more info, thanks.

[Humptulips]

My father has one. It's a good round for deer and bear. I don't think it is quite enough for elk but he has killed a number of elk with it. If it's in any kind of shape sounds like a good deal.

[Curly]

I'm not sure why the .284 never caught on.  It was kind of a short mag before its time (well, except for the mag part   )............it has a short, fat case and Winchester had a lever gun (M88) and semi auto (M100) chambered in .284.  

It would be sweet to have a bolt action in .284 Win so that you could take advantage of the case capacity..........but might as well have a 7-08.    Factory 150gr loads will get around 2800 fps.

With the popularity of the 7mm-08, the .284 is obsolete now.  You will be lucky to find a box of ammo in the stores and if you do it will be expensive.

[Hyde]

I love the .284, we have two Savage 99's in 284 in the family.  When I was a kid, they provided more food for our table than any of our other rifles combined.  I killed many deer and my first elk with one of them.  It is a great caliber, but as Curly said, it's next to impossible to get ammo.  Heck, we were reloading 30 years ago because of the same problem. 

[yorketransport]

If you just like to have the odd calibers, I think that the 284 is great. No really any better than a 7mm-08, but certainly no worse. Depending on the gun it's chambered in I think that the 284 is actually closer to the 280 Rem. In the Winchester 88 or 100 I think that it's closer to the 7mm-08. But in a bolt gun you can run it a little faster.

I don't have a 284, but I do have a 338/284 Winchester. The case is really a neat design that was just ahead of it's time in the mid 60s. I say buy it if it's a good deal.

Andrew

[ELKBUGLE5]

Thanks Fellas, lots of good info, I'll take pics and post , when i get it. 

[mazama]

I have a ruger that i rechambered from 7mm08 to 284win,120 barnes 3200fps.

[Mike450r]

The .284 win is a little better than 7mm-08 due to better case design.  But you can only utilize this better case design with a magazine that holds handloaded rounds with the bullet seated longer than factory rounds.  Older magazines were too short to hold rounds that could reach their full potential.

I would love a model 88 in .284 but would have to do something about the magazine otherwise a 7mm-08 would be a wiser choice

[ELKBUGLE5]

Thanks agian, very usefull info, I'm gonna look at it tonight after work. 

[ELKBUGLE5]

Hey fellas, went to look at that 284 win, haven't bought it yet but did come back with some info, The guy says it is a 284 win , that is stamped on the barrel but, he also says it's a model K98, honestly left with more questions than answers.  Maybe a custom made ?  Or maybe I'm custom with a "K".  I'm thin kn maybe a   

[Mike450r]

Hey fellas, went to look at that 284 win, haven't bought it yet but did come back with some info, The guy says it is a 284 win , that is stamped on the barrel but, he also says it's a model K98, honestly left with more questions than answers.  Maybe a custom made ?  Or maybe I'm custom with a "K".   I'm thin kn maybe a    

I would have to see it to be sure but sounds like a custom barreled German k98 mauser action so the 1943 in your first post would be accurate.  If in good shape and a decent price I would snap it up.  It should have a magazine that is not restricted to shorter than optimal factory .284 so you would be able to (if you reload or perhaps a friend reloads) load the .284 to it's full potential which makes it better than the 7mm-08.  An earlier post compares the .284 to a short mag, this is not accurate.  It is like the 7mm-08 based on the .308 case, the difference being the shoulder angle.  Shoulder angle can have a substantial impact on powder capacity and cartridge performance.  Ackley Improved cartridges are essentially just a change in shoulder angle which increases powder capacity and burn efficiency. If there were a 7mm-08 Ackley Improved it would look like the .284 Win.

[yorketransport]

An earlier post compares the .284 to a short mag, this is not accurate.  It is like the 7mm-08 based on the .308 case, the difference being the shoulder angle.  Shoulder angle can have a substantial impact on powder capacity and cartridge performance.  Ackley Improved cartridges are essentially just a change in shoulder angle which increases powder capacity and burn efficiency. If there were a 7mm-08 Ackley Improved it would look like the .284 Win.

This isn't actually accurate. The 284 is a unique case design that's larger in diameter than the 308 case, but does use a rebated 308 sized rim (.473"). The 284 is .500" at the case head and a 308 is .470".  The body is also longer by .215". It's a pretty noticeable differance when they're side by side.

Andrew

[Mike450r]

An earlier post compares the .284 to a short mag, this is not accurate.  It is like the 7mm-08 based on the .308 case, the difference being the shoulder angle.  Shoulder angle can have a substantial impact on powder capacity and cartridge performance.  Ackley Improved cartridges are essentially just a change in shoulder angle which increases powder capacity and burn efficiency. If there were a 7mm-08 Ackley Improved it would look like the .284 Win.

This isn't actually accurate. The 284 is a unique case design that's larger in diameter than the 308 case, but does use a rebated 308 sized rim (.473"). The 284 is .500" at the case head and a 308 is .470".  The body is also longer by .215". It's a pretty noticeable differance when they're side by side.

Andrew

Got schooled.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I was going by rim diameter

[Curly]

Hey fellas, went to look at that 284 win, haven't bought it yet but did come back with some info, The guy says it is a 284 win , that is stamped on the barrel but, he also says it's a model K98, honestly left with more questions than answers.  Maybe a custom made ?  Or maybe I'm custom with a "K".  I'm thin kn maybe a   

Sounds like it may be a pretty nice rifle.  If you don't mind saying, how much is the guy asking for it?

[KimberRich]

My father has one. It's a good round for deer and bear. I don't think it is quite enough for elk but he has killed a number of elk with it. If it's in any kind of shape sounds like a good deal.

Not sure why it's not enough for elk??  Great Elk round in my opinion. 

[KimberRich]

The .284 win is a little better than 7mm-08 due to better case design.  But you can only utilize this better case design with a magazine that holds handloaded rounds with the bullet seated longer than factory rounds.  Older magazines were too short to hold rounds that could reach their full potential.

I would love a model 88 in .284 but would have to do something about the magazine otherwise a 7mm-08 would be a wiser choice

So by full potential are you talking amount of powder/fps from the round?  I've got 2 model 88's and 1 model 100 in .284 and haven't had any magazine issues with any of my hand loads or factory ammo.

[ELKBUGLE5]

Hey Curly, the cat was asking 200, for it. I ended up getting it, something to play with And it's a bolt action.  I'll post some picks as soon as i get back from early buck.  Didn't have to work after all. headed up to the cabin. 

[Hyde]

FYI collectors, there is a nice Win 100 in .284 at the Cabelas in Lacey.  ($750.00 I believe)  I saw it there today in the library. 

[KimberRich]

FYI collectors, there is a nice Win 100 in .284 at the Cabelas in Lacey.  ($750.00 I believe)  I saw it there today in the library. 

About $150 higher than it's worth which is about the standard mark up there from what I've seen.