Adequate Goose Gun?

[Phartridge]

My 20 is a Mossberg, but it is the full version.  Where do you get your ammo?  How far away are you shooting from.  Crumpling a goose sounds pretty satisfying...

[270Shooter]

In regards to the patterning.  The 12 gauge will put 30 pellets in a pop can from about 40 yards.  No kidding.     It has a super full turkey choke in it.  Is this pattern to tight for geese?  My 20 has a bit looser pattern, but still not bad. 

Yeah dont try to shoot steel through that choke, could end up bad. If the mod isnt tight enough for you, you could buy a long range waterfowl choke like a patternmaster. You dont need a super tight choke, geese arent bullet-proof.

[bobcat]

A pellet does not know if it comes out of a 20ga or 12ga.
If a #2 steel shot pellet at 1500 fps comes out of a 12 or 20 gauge wich is more lethal

A 20gauge shooting the correct size shot for the intended target and at a adequate velocity will kill geese as cleanly as a 12 or 10 gauge.
For canada geese a 3" load of #2 or BB steel shot at 1500 fps will kill like an act of god from a 20 gauge.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS PELLET COUNT as prof chaos stated.

    You need to do more studying just like the Professor. Did you read my entire post? The 12 gauge has a shorter shot column, not to mention MORE shot!  I don't care what you say- a 12 gauge kills better and farther than a 20 gauge will. If it didn't, everybody would be shooting 20 gauge shotguns. The 20 gauge works acceptably for waterfowl but it's not much good with steel shot, as I already said. You need to use Hevi-shot or something similar. Or if you insist on using steel shot, then limit your shots to 25 yards. 

[Meats]

A pellet does not know if it comes out of a 20ga or 12ga.
If a #2 steel shot pellet at 1500 fps comes out of a 12 or 20 gauge wich is more lethal

A 20gauge shooting the correct size shot for the intended target and at a adequate velocity will kill geese as cleanly as a 12 or 10 gauge.
For canada geese a 3" load of #2 or BB steel shot at 1500 fps will kill like an act of god from a 20 gauge.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS PELLET COUNT as prof chaos stated.

    You need to do more studying just like the Professor. Did you read my entire post? The 12 gauge has a shorter shot column, not to mention MORE shot!  I don't care what you say- a 12 gauge kills better and farther than a 20 gauge will. If it didn't, everybody would be shooting 20 gauge shotguns. The 20 gauge works acceptably for waterfowl but it's not much good with steel shot, as I already said. You need to use Hevi-shot or something similar. Or if you insist on using steel shot, then limit your shots to 25 yards. 

Wow....................some people are clueless.
Of course a 1oz load of #2 steel has 125 pellets and a 1 1/8oz load of #2 steel has 141.
Do you think you will see a pattern density difference with 16 fewer pellets.......................NOPE!!!
Shot column is realative due to actual barrel dia., wad thickness, brand of choke ect,ect,ect.
I bet I can get as good of a pattern with a 1oz load out of a 20gauge with the right choke as you can with a 12gauge with a 1 1/8 load shooting equal velocity (1500-1550)

This reminds me of the guy that thinks muzzle loaders have firing pins

[Phartridge]

Bobcat,  Were you comments directed at me, becasue I just wanted to let you know that I am getting a lot of information out of your posts.  Sorry if I am not getting that across... :-/

[bobcat]

Meats,

I think by now it's obvious to everyone but you, that you're an idiot. Bigger is better.There's no way to rationally argue otherwise. Since you think a 20 gauge kills as good as a 12 gauge, do you have any shotguns you'd like to sell? I'll take those worthless 12 gauge shotguns off your hands if you like.

Phartridge,

No, my last couple of posts were not dircted at you. But you should still get something out of them.   

Basically all I'm saying is don't use steel shot. And lead is not legal so you can't use that either. The other more expensive alternatives will work much better for geese. And a modified or full choke is what you want. But of course it's best to pattern your gun and see what choke works best.

[Meats]

Meats,

I think by now it's obvious to everyone but you, that you're an idiot. Bigger is better.There's no way to rationally argue otherwise. Since you think a 20 gauge kills as good as a 12 gauge, do you have any shotguns you'd like to sell? I'll take those worthless 12 gauge shotguns off your hands if you like.

Phartridge,

No, my last couple of posts were not dircted at you. But you should still get something out of them.   

Basically all I'm saying is don't use steel shot. And lead is not legal so you can't use that either. The other more expensive alternatives will work much better for geese. And a modified or full choke is what you want. But of course it's best to pattern your gun and see what choke works best.

I never said a 12 is not better than a 20 and I never said a 20 is better than a 12.
You are the one that says a 20 is no good,cant use steel and only able to kill to 25 yards.
I posted facts, you post you opinion(You even admitted this).
You have no ability to prove your point so you call me an idiot..............I love it.
You ever want to hook up for a hunt let me know.I will do everything SLOW so you can take lots of notes.
Guess the gun and load used on this hunt and I'll give it to you.

[Phartridge]

So, if I can't use lead, and I maybe shouldn't use steel (still up for opinion), then what are my alternatives?  Were you thinking along the lines of copper-coated, or zinc?  Basically, what were you refering to when you said that there were more expensive alternatives?  Thanks.

[chester]

Black cloud should work fine, but I think he was refering to tungsten, bismuth and hevi-shot.

[Phartridge]

Chester,  I have heard of all the others, but what is Black cloud?  Thanks

[chester]

Black Cloud is a steel shot. its got some special design. it knocks birds dead with the right choke. tears them up a little tho.

[Phartridge]

Thanks for the input.  Does anybody else have reccomendation for shells to use with the 20?

[270Shooter]

Black cloud is a shell made by federal, uses the flight control wad, throws tighter patterns. Hevi shot is spendy but probably worth it if you are shooting geese a lot with a 20.

[goosegetter79]

Used my Remington 870 youth model 20 gauge for 6 years hunting duck's and geese did pretty well. Used 3" #2 federal steel shot.

[Meats]

Chester,  I have heard of all the others, but what is Black cloud?  Thanks

You can see it at the link below.
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/shotshell.aspx?id=840