Monday is the opener

[rasbo]

Well,monday I will start to set traps.weather looks wet.but the hunters for the most part will be out of the woods.Good luck to all...

[BLKBEARKLR]

Jim,good luck out there I just got that coon already to go. That was a fricken stinky nasty lil guy.


Joe

[rasbo]

Jim,good luck out there I just got that coon already to go. That was a fricken stinky nasty lil guy.


Joe

reminded me of some yotes, the smell he had..Momma wants a spotted skunk after seeing how momma did that one..lookout pepe here I come

[Kain]

Cant wait for the pics and stories.  I would like to see pics (video is even better) of the sets if anyone has time.

[carpsniperg2]

  good luck rasbo. look forward to seeing pics and hearing stories

[BLKBEARKLR]

Jim,good luck out there I just got that coon already to go. That was a fricken stinky nasty lil guy.


Joe

reminded me of some yotes, the smell he had..Momma wants a spotted skunk after seeing how momma did that one..lookout pepe here I come

Jim , no problem, we will call Mich to come and skin that bad boy out 

Joe

[boneaddict]

Kncok em dead Rasbo.  I'm glad someone is keeping the sport alive.

[rasbo]

Jim,good luck out there I just got that coon already to go. That was a fricken stinky nasty lil guy.


Joe

reminded me of some yotes, the smell he had..Momma wants a spotted skunk after seeing how momma did that one..lookout pepe here I come

Jim , no problem, we will call Mich to come and skin that bad boy out 

Joe

Michelle has a knack or should I say a nose for it..She is the go to for that..I owe her some breakfast foresure

[rasbo]

Cant wait for the pics and stories.  I would like to see pics (video is even better) of the sets if anyone has time.

I  will post the sets kain,coons and skunks I will just put a cage out.the cat and beaver sets will be the same as last year but I have some new traps from Mercer lawing..Wish I was on the eastside,much better areas and cold

[billythekidrock]

I am still debating about a couple beaver sets with the cages. Wish I could have found a couple swim throughs. Not sure how much time I will have in Nov since deer hunting comes first.

I had a couple bobs on trail cam, but since rifle season started they have not been around. May have to wait until after late buck when all the gutpiles are gone.

[billythekidrock]

Nothing to do but wait.

[rasbo]

yeah I have to close mine or pull them,property is closed from the 6th to the 16th,then the late buck comes.I still worry about traps getting ripped though..This is good for pre baiting the sites so to think and get some smell there,and used to the traps..I hope

[Michelle_Nelson]

rasbo cable them to a tree or log.

[h2ofwl4]

Getting sick and tired of trappers selling furs that have been harvested under a permit.  They are making some serious money.

[Humptulips]

Getting sick and tired of trappers selling furs that have been harvested under a permit.  They are making some serious money.

I doubt there is any serious money being made from the sale of fur legal or not. Have you looked at the current fur prices?

[Cylvertip]

Good Luck to all.  Got a call to chase some beaver next week.  Gotta love it.

[rasbo]

Getting sick and tired of trappers selling furs that have been harvested under a permit.  They are making some serious money.

who is doing it?On this side the  fur isnt worth crap to speak of.

[h2ofwl4]

i only know of east side activities and to me, 200-300 dollars is alot of money

[Sumpnneedskillin]

Good Luck to all.  Got a call to chase some beaver next week.  Gotta love it.

Chasing beaver....... 

Seem as how you got a call does that make you the "wingman"?

[Cylvertip]

i only know of east side activities and to me, 200-300 dollars is alot of money

What are they gettin that kind of money from?

[Cylvertip]

Good Luck to all.  Got a call to chase some beaver next week.  Gotta love it.

Chasing beaver....... 

Seem as how you got a call does that make you the "wingman"?

Never understood the interest in wings, I'm more of a breast man my self

[h2ofwl4]

cylvertip, from selling pelts at fur sales in state, out of state, and in canada.

[Humptulips]

The only thing that is going to bring $200 to $300 is bobcat from the eastside. How many special permits are written for bobcat? Not very damn many if any. Most permits are written for beaver. Beaver won't average $20 under the most rosy scenario. Yea, a lot of money to be made there.

[h2ofwl4]

no where did i indicate that this was a single pelt sale but 30-40 beaver and a dozen or so muskrats easily make 200-300 dollars. it is happening and could easily undermine efforts to address I-713.

[Kain]

Can you sell muskrats caught in a colony trap even if they were trapped under a permit?  I thought you just couldnt sell them if they were caught in a body gripping trap.

[rasbo]

Can you sell muskrats caught in a colony trap even if they were trapped under a permit?  I thought you just couldnt sell them if they were caught in a body gripping trap.

I would say no...because your using the permit....

[Machias]

Nothing illegal about selling animal furs caught with body gripping traps under a permit.  They cannot be "RAW" pelts, but there is nothing illegal about selling tanned hides, even those caught using body gripping traps with a nuisance permit or colony traps or box traps under a permit.

RCW 77.15.194
Unlawful traps — Penalty.

(2) It is unlawful to knowingly buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange, or offer to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange the raw fur of a mammal or a mammal that has been trapped in this state with a steel-jawed leghold trap or any other body-gripping trap, whether or not pursuant to permit.


RCW 77.15.192
Definitions.

(4) "Raw fur" means a pelt that has not been processed for purposes of retail sale.

[rasbo]

Nothing illegal about selling animal furs caught with body gripping traps under a permit.  They cannot be "RAW" pelts, but there is nothing illegal about selling tanned hides, even those caught using body gripping traps with a nuisance permit or colony traps or box traps under a permit.

RCW 77.15.194
Unlawful traps — Penalty.

(2) It is unlawful to knowingly buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange, or offer to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange the raw fur of a mammal or a mammal that has been trapped in this state with a steel-jawed leghold trap or any other body-gripping trap, whether or not pursuant to permit.


RCW 77.15.192
Definitions.

(4) "Raw fur" means a pelt that has not been processed for purposes of retail sale.

thats true,I was not thinking about tanned hides,just dried and sold

[Kain]

I looked it up and it looks like its illegal for body gripping traps.  And in my NWCO handbook it says

The sale, trade, barter, giving away or retention of any wildlife taken under authority of the NWCO permit is prohibited except as otherwise provided.

It doesnt say anything about pelts.  I think this is just talking about live animals.  I couldnt find where this is online or the law for it though.


http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf

3. Purchasing or Selling
Wildlife or Their
Parts:
Non-edible portions of
wild animals and game
birds may be sold or
traded (antlers, hides,
teeth), except for bighorn
sheep; mountain goat;
velvet antlers of deer or
elk; or the gall bladder,
claws, and teeth of bear,
except those claws
or teeth permanently
attached to a full bear
skin or mounted bear
or the raw fur of a wild
animal or the wild animal
itself, if the wild animal,
has been trapped in
this state with a body
gripping trap.

[Humptulips]

I looked it up and it looks like its illegal for body gripping traps.  And in my NWCO handbook it says

The sale, trade, barter, giving away or retention of any wildlife taken under authority of the NWCO permit is prohibited except as otherwise provided.

It doesnt say anything about pelts.  I think this is just talking about live animals.  I couldnt find where this is online or the law for it though.


http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf

3. Purchasing or Selling
Wildlife or Their
Parts:
Non-edible portions of
wild animals and game
birds may be sold or
traded (antlers, hides,
teeth), except for bighorn
sheep; mountain goat;
velvet antlers of deer or
elk; or the gall bladder,
claws, and teeth of bear,
except those claws
or teeth permanently
attached to a full bear
skin or mounted bear
or the raw fur of a wild
animal or the wild animal
itself, if the wild animal,
has been trapped in
this state with a body
gripping trap.

The Fish and Wildlife Commission adopted new rules related to retention and ownership of wildlife taken under the authority of a NWCO permit in June. It took effect in July. There is no such beast as a NWCO permit now. Renamed WCO permit. Furbearers and unclassified wildlife now become the property of the property owner on whose property they were taken. The property owner can give them away to you and you can do what you want with them. This does not give you the authority to sell furs trapped with traps authorized with a special permit until they have been processed.

Very confusing situation at the moment though. Dave Ware took the proposed changes to the Fish and Wildlife Commission and they passed them however they forgot or neglected to repeal the old rules so currently they are both on the books and are somewhat contradictory. They are enforcing the new rules though but with leeway if some violation was to come up. Not likely as I see it as the new rules are more lenient. Sean said he would send out an explanation to all WCOs but he has not done it as of yet.

Can you sell muskrats caught in a colony trap even if they were trapped under a permit?  I thought you just couldn't sell them if they were caught in a body gripping trap.

A colony trap set would not be under a permit. The permits only cover bodygripping traps which they are not.
You would have to have a WCO permit to set the colony traps outside season but not a special permit to set bodygripping traps.

[Machias]

My handbook was from 2000, can't find anywhere in my handbook that said selling processed furs obtained using the body-gripping trap was prohibited, it only states the RCWs.  Anyone know if they are planning on sending out "new" handbooks with the "new" rules? 

[h2ofwl4]

"...but not a special permit to set bodygripping traps."

 Not according to the WCO training I took and on page 8 of the Nusiance Wildlife Control Operators Regulations published by WDFW which states "... but may only use body gripping traps after receiving a special trapping permit>''

[rasbo]

"...but not a special permit to set bodygripping traps."

 Not according to the WCO training I took and on page 8 of the Nusiance Wildlife Control Operators Regulations published by WDFW which states "... but may only use body gripping traps after receiving a special trapping permit>''

thats correct Fred.If after trying the cages or hazing,and that dont work you must apply for the permit for conis and legholds,and recieve it to trap..

[Huntboy]

Good luck to all.

[Cylvertip]

Just traded some email with Sean Carrol , the WDFW Probelm Wildlife Coordinator.  He will be sending out notification to all the NWCO's  or soon to be WCO's once the new rules become effective.

[rasbo]

Just traded some email with Sean Carrol , the WDFW Probelm Wildlife Coordinator.  He will be sending out notification to all the NWCO's  or soon to be WCO's once the new rules become effective.

cool,thanks

[Cylvertip]

G, the opener tomorrow and it's dumping rain.... shocker. 

[rasbo]

G, the opener tomorrow and it's dumping rain.... shocker. 

I set traps in the pouring rain monday,had to pull the friday,property closing till the 17th.No bobcats caught

[murphyranch]

Was wonderin how you did any luck at all?

[rasbo]

Was wonderin how you did any luck at all?

no nothing

[murphyranch]

Well at least it is only the first week into the season so we still got time.

[rasbo]

Well at least it is only the first week into the season so we still got time.

I feel better when most the hunters are out of the woods,I have good cages,and all the fixens,just gotta lure some bobs into them