They shot the Goat! That's Bullsnot!

[canyelk48]

Typical governmental knee-jerk reaction; what a bunch of horse crap!

[Hyde]

It is legal to have a loaded firearm in national parks now.

I believe it is now legal for CPL holders to carry concealed in NP's.  Open carry is not legal.  (or it is?)  Can someone clarify for the group?

[Grizzlykiller]

It may have been a ridiculous bleeding heart liberal thing to do putting a bullet in that horny goat but I'm curious if those of you who think it was a waste of a billy or bullet would think otherwise if your kid wife girlfriend or friend was the one dead.
 What do you think? If that was a close friend or a loved one of one of you guys saying it's *censored* then I think this thread would have a different title and direction.
 Shooing away a rutting billy obviously wasn't the best way to go for Mr. Boardman but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say it was typical government knee jerk reaction to shoot that goat. Hell if it was one of your loved ones you'd be doing the damn shooting.
And I hate bleeding heart liberals as much as the next guy but give me a break. Put yourself in that guys families shoes and then go about your business.

[Hangfire]

A lot if mistakes were made. The park service should have closed that trail before hand, the hiker should have backed off. The park service had no option but to kill that goat. They would be liable for any further injuries.

[slinger]

It may have been a ridiculous bleeding heart liberal thing to do putting a bullet in that horny goat but I'm curious if those of you who think it was a waste of a billy or bullet would think otherwise if your kid wife girlfriend or friend was the one dead.
 What do you think? If that was a close friend or a loved one of one of you guys saying it's *censored* then I think this thread would have a different title and direction.
 Shooing away a rutting billy obviously wasn't the best way to go for Mr. Boardman but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say it was typical government knee jerk reaction to shoot that goat. Hell if it was one of your loved ones you'd be doing the damn shooting.
And I hate bleeding heart liberals as much as the next guy but give me a break. Put yourself in that guys families shoes and then go about your business.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!  I guarantee people would have a different outlook if it was there wife or kids!!

[Atroxus]

It is legal to have a loaded firearm in national parks now.

I believe it is now legal for CPL holders to carry concealed in NP's.  Open carry is not legal.  (or it is?)  Can someone clarify for the group?

I believe the national parks opened up to carrying firearms but only allows it if in compliance with applicable local laws. So in Washington open carry would be legal, but a national park in another state it might not be. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice though.  

[Curly]

It is legal to have a loaded firearm in national parks now.

I believe it is now legal for CPL holders to carry concealed in NP's.  Open carry is not legal.  (or it is?)  Can someone clarify for the group?

I believe the national parks opened up to carrying firearms but only allows it if in compliance with applicable local laws. So in Washington open carry would be legal, but a national park in another state it might not be. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice though.  

If it is true that carrying firearms in Natl Parks is allowed if meeting local laws, then concealed carry would be legal (CWP or not) if you are hiking in the National Park.

[canyelk48]

It may have been a ridiculous bleeding heart liberal thing to do putting a bullet in that horny goat but I'm curious if those of you who think it was a waste of a billy or bullet would think otherwise if your kid wife girlfriend or friend was the one dead.
 What do you think? If that was a close friend or a loved one of one of you guys saying it's *censored* then I think this thread would have a different title and direction.
 Shooing away a rutting billy obviously wasn't the best way to go for Mr. Boardman but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say it was typical government knee jerk reaction to shoot that goat. Hell if it was one of your loved ones you'd be doing the damn shooting.
And I hate bleeding heart liberals as much as the next guy but give me a break. Put yourself in that guys families shoes and then go about your business.

Shooting the goat (or any other wild animal) in the act of harming or attempting to do harm to someone would be justified.  Shooting that goat later on like they did was "a knee-jerk reaction" IMO.  It's not like the goat now has a taste for human blood and will start hunting down humans.  The goat was in the rut, which equates to being aggressive.  Same thing goes for deer, elk, moose, etc., etc.  Hell, I guess the government should go out every Fall and shoot all of those animals "just in case"?  I guess that the family now "feels better" because this goat is now dead?  Give me a break.

[Moose Eyes]

Some good points are being made on both sides of the argument.  I don't have a problem with the park service killing the goat but I don't have a strong opinion about it either way.  But I am curious if anyone who has expressed an opinion here would change it if the animal had been an introduced wolf?  Obviously this is a hypothetical question but I thought it would be fun to ask.  Not trying to push anyone's buttons or challenge opinions - simply curious if the species of animal is a factor in shaping our views.

[PA BEN]

The word around town, PA is the hikers were taking a break when the goat came at them. The man sent his family away and stayed to keep the goat from getting them. He wasn't F'ing with the goat, he gave his life to keep the goat from his family. This goat was know for his bad temper.

[Hornseeker]

The goat was too aggressive, he needed a bullet...and got one....

[haugenna]

Read in the middle where it says "Nobody actually saw it happen." I read the same article a week and a half ago. Obviously we know the end result but we don't know to what extent the hiker went to to "shoo" the animal. Why didn't he leave as he instructed his hiking buddies to do? I understand it appeared to be a nuisance animal, but why mess with it, leave it alone and go down another trail. Try "shooing" a rattler out of a bush and see what happens......same end result, leave the darn animal alone and get away from it!

If I went for a hike with my wife and daughter or friend and a goat kept messing with us and being agressive and followed us down that trail as we tried to leave, I would have done the same thing this guy did.  Remove my wife and child from the danger.  If the goat kept following them as a group, there would be 3 dead bodies instead of 1.   

Kill it.  Feelings would be different if a close friend or family member of yours was killed by an animal. 

 

[MikeWalking]

["Actually I think they did the right thing by killing that goat. It had a history of being aggressive to hikers in the area and what would happen if it killed someone else? Sure enough, the National Park Service would get sued. The goats aren't native there so I really don't see what the issue is in killing one goat. The problem I did have is that they had to waste money doing a "necropsy" on it to find out if it had something wrong with it. "

Hey Steve how would you feel if it had been someones child?  This Ram had a long history of aggressive behavoir towards people.  Really? leave it alone to kill again?  Maybe a kid next time? Seems like a Liberals stance.  One more reason not to import Non Native animals?

Then having been assaulted by one on Mt. Si years ago might cloud my opinion.

[bear]

It's just a goat.  It needed to be shot. 

[canyelk48]

Now that I've read more about this goat, I agree that it needed to be taken care of.  Gotta wonder if this incident would have ever happened if they allowed goat hunting in the park.  Once animals know they have no reason to fear humans, anything can happen.