how many un - true spikes got poached this weekend

[Wenatcheejay]

Elk hunting should be abolished for all Non Native, Naturalized, Law Abiding Peoples, Period And YOU SHOULD ALL BE PROUD TO HAVE YOUR INCOME TAXED; LONG LIVE QUEEN PATTY MURRY

  on true spike. They should lock up anyone one who shoots a 1x2. (FOREVER) They should loose all gun and hunting rights for all time. And, if they are from Seattle they should loose voting rights as well.




Being serious, there should be no bull hunting of the Clockum herd. They are in trouble. I do my part, I leave them alone.

[banannaclip]

woody  the 14 day rule has nothing todo with mexicans and farm work its limiting the outdoorsmen slowly taking over next year a legal spike will not have antler growth exceeding 8''

[woodywsu]

woody  the 14 day rule has nothing todo with mexicans and farm work its limiting the outdoorsmen slowly taking over next year a legal spike will not have antler growth exceeding 8''

Maybe not in the Colockum, but in several other areas, it is one of the reasons why there are limits. Its just not migrant workers either.

As for the Colockum area, it is in need of more rules. Its too bad that WDFW can't please everybody.

[banannaclip]

yes its a tough job we need more input from respectful hunters of all types.

[eatonville45]

who really cares why does'nt the state make it even harder for the average man to go hunting and kill a elk why everyone is talking about this i dont know. How in Gods green earth is a hunter who see a spike bull at 150 yards moving through clearing well trying to see if the bull has a stupid 2 inch point of one side or the other going to ever kill an elk.all the swine who make these rules mite as well be up for election this week. Hey Has anyone seen any illigel kill elk it not like they are out shooting a 300inch bull and calling it a spike  GET A LIFE LOSER.

[banannaclip]

thats a 1'' tine on the back of the antler at 200 yards

[lunchbox]

I know of at least 3 two points were shot and two cows in the colockum. I love it when the game warden wants to smell your gun barrell to see if your the one who shot the illegal elk, leave us the hell alone!

[the1rod]

the way i see it is that true spike is just a management tool. based off other comments, the bull to cow ratios are decreasing, since the regs were already at spike only, they can either close the area or go to draw only, or do the one thing to keep a general season, while protecting more of the bulls and make it true spike. yes it is designed to decrease the number of bulls taken, but its for the good of the heard.

[remington300mag]

the way i see it is that true spike is just a management tool. based off other comments, the bull to cow ratios are decreasing, since the regs were already at spike only, they can either close the area or go to draw only, or do the one thing to keep a general season, while protecting more of the bulls and make it true spike. yes it is designed to decrease the number of bulls taken, but its for the good of the heard.

People that make comments like this obviously don't understand that this "management tool" is only helping one thing....and it sure as hell isn't the herd itself......It is only helping the Yakima's to shoot more branched antler bulls later down the road.......

[the1rod]

People that make comments like this obviously don't understand that this "management tool" is only helping one thing....and it sure as hell isn't the herd itself......It is only helping the Yakima's to shoot more branched antler bulls later down the road.......

if its helping the yakimas to shoot more branched antlered bulls down the road, then that means that it is creating more branched antler bulls to breed the heard, which would mean that it is succeeding. and if the yaks are shooting the branched bulls that it creates, well thats a different discussion, please lets stay on topic.

[87samurai]

I heard of 1 2x2 the guy turned himself in.

[remington300mag]

People that make comments like this obviously don't understand that this "management tool" is only helping one thing....and it sure as hell isn't the herd itself......It is only helping the Yakima's to shoot more branched antler bulls later down the road.......

if its helping the yakimas to shoot more branched antlered bulls down the road, then that means that it is creating more branched antler bulls to breed the heard, which would mean that it is succeeding. and if the yaks are shooting the branched bulls that it creates, well thats a different discussion, please lets stay on topic.

Well that raises a great question that I honestly don't know the answer to......What does it matter if a branched antler bull or a true spike breed the cows.....Wouldn't the genetics be the same when it is a 1 year old spike....or when that same bull is a 9 year old monster?!?!
So, if they are truly trying to "Manage the herd" wouldn't they want the genetically inferior 2x1, 2x3, 2x2 and so on 2,3,4 year old bulls shot?!?! Why does harvesting a "true spike" help anything?!?!

[colockumelk]

Because it decreases the number of bulls that are legal to shoot every year, thus increasing the amount of yearling bulls that live through the hunting season. 

Its like this.  On average abouot 300 bull calves make it through the winter in the Colockum every year.  During the last ten years under the "Spike Only" regulations about 200-240 of those were legally harvested by hunters.  The Colockum elk herd genetically produces alot of 1x2's dramatically reducing the amount of legal elk that can be harvested.  So lets say 1/3 of yearling bulls are 1x2's and can't be harvested.  This leaves at least 100 yearlings that WILL make it through the hunting season even if all of the "True Spikes" are harvested.  Its the ONLY option that the WDFW has to increase the yearling bull survival rate if the public wants a General Season in the Colockum. 

[the1rod]

   and it would be nice to remove the genetically inferior older 1x2 and so on, but how do you tell them apart from young bulls with advanced growth?

Well that raises a great question that I honestly don't know the answer to......What does it matter if a branched antler bull or a true spike breed the cows.....Wouldn't the genetics be the same when it is a 1 year old spike....or when that same bull is a 9 year old monster?!?!

that is a good question, the way i see it, is that there would be no genetic difference, it would just be the act off breeding that i see makeing a difference. if a large branched bull has a large group of cows that he may not be able to breed all of, other bulls are going to try to sneak in and get the extra cows, if a spike trys this he is more likely to get run off with out posing much of a threat, but if he is a few years older he will have a better chance of standing up to a big bull and possibly snagging a couple cows that the big bull dident breed.

[KINGWOODROW]

  why has no one brought up the FACT that the bull to cow ratio is jacked because the Natives are filling thier trucks with big bulls year round  Instead, the WDFW is just being its ignorant F'ing self and punishing those who act responsibly and obey the laws.  Its going to take the Natives killing every last one of them for the WDFW to pull thier heads out of thier ass