Enforcement Survey

[Tony 270]

During SeaFair WDFW, Seattle PD, Kent PD, Mercer Island PD, King County SO and the USCG all provide vessels for patrol.

So once again the reason why they work SeaFair is because they would not get a $200k grant if they didn’t work it.

Probably has something to do with the number of boaters out that weekend along with the amounts of alcohol out as well 

[jackelope]

Thanks for the info Big Tex.  It's all about the Benjamins for sure! 

I'm a USCG licensed capt and operate vessel for hire on Lk WA so I'm well familiar with the (wide) variety of police agencies on the lake.  '08 Seafear I did see a WDFW vessel with Capt. Hebner, Sgt Chandler and one WDFW officer on the same boat.  They were all aboard the WDFW #25 the uc Grady White. 

I still think that's a bit brass heavy for one boat. 

Also doesn't WS Parks have their own commissioned now? 

Did you also see the Border Patrol there? I did.
Why I ask, was the Border Patrol patrolling Seafair?
I would guess for the same reason WDFW was.

[jackelope]

Who really gives a $hit what someone calls them? Not everyone is a cop groupy like you.

I'm talking about on this forum. When I speak to a game warden or any other officer I'm very respectful and always call them "officer".

And there you have it. Im respectful because I don't want them to make up some b.s.. respect is a 2 way street. I would actually respect them if they treated me with respect. I have rarely been treated with respect by Leo's even though I always am respectful to them. They just act like I'm there to serve them. It's their job to serve the public not the other way around. There are a few good ones and I truly respect those gentlemen/women

Good thing bigtex is here to straighten everybody out. Since he wasn't there he obviously knows.... good thing he's on this site. Just imagine how uninformed we would be with out him. Since he's not ignorant they everyone else on here...

Grundy53,
Every time you post in this thread it becomes more and more clear to me why Law Enforcement seems to treat you with a lack of respect. It's sure no mystery to me.

[grundy53]

Who really gives a $hit what someone calls them? Not everyone is a cop groupy like you.

I'm talking about on this forum. When I speak to a game warden or any other officer I'm very respectful and always call them "officer".

And there you have it. Im respectful because I don't want them to make up some b.s.. respect is a 2 way street. I would actually respect them if they treated me with respect. I have rarely been treated with respect by Leo's even though I always am respectful to them. They just act like I'm there to serve them. It's their job to serve the public not the other way around. There are a few good ones and I truly respect those gentlemen/women

Good thing bigtex is here to straighten everybody out. Since he wasn't there he obviously knows.... good thing he's on this site. Just imagine how uninformed we would be with out him. Since he's not ignorant they everyone else on here...

Grundy53,
Every time you post in this thread it becomes more and more clear to me why Law Enforcement seems to treat you with a lack of respect. It's sure no mystery to me.

How do you figure? When I speak to an officer I am 100% respectful. I say yes sir, I'm polite, and I smile. I'm an adult I know how to act around authority. So how can you even presume to know why I get treated the way I do? Does it have to be my fault? Are they above reproach? You ever think that maybe I used to really look up to them until I got treated like *censored*? It's not every officer either only about half the time. So how do you explain that if I have such a bad attitude? You know what they say about when you ASSume.... but good to know you've done your research and pasted together a few clips of mine that were directed at a certain individual out of the nearly thousand posts of mine. Nice.

[jackelope]

Just basing my opinions off of your comments. Same for what you're doing with Bigtex's comments.
Opinions are like *censored*s. Everybody's got one, some stink worse than others.

[grundy53]

Just basing my opinions off of your comments. Same for what you're doing with Bigtex's comments.
Opinions are like *censored*s. Everybody's got one, some stink worse than others.

Actually your basing them off one thread. I wasn't. Nice broad analysis you did.  Your right though some stink worse then others....

[bigtex]

Thanks for the info Big Tex.  It's all about the Benjamins for sure! 

I'm a USCG licensed capt and operate vessel for hire on Lk WA so I'm well familiar with the (wide) variety of police agencies on the lake.  '08 Seafear I did see a WDFW vessel with Capt. Hebner, Sgt Chandler and one WDFW officer on the same boat.  They were all aboard the WDFW #25 the uc Grady White. 

I still think that's a bit brass heavy for one boat. 

Also doesn't WS Parks have their own commissioned now? 

Ya in 08 WDFW had only planned on having three boats I believe but they (all the agencies combined) needed more manpower so thats why they brought in the boat with Hebner and Chandler and I think they only worked the final day of the event. WDFW Sgts are suppose to work patrol, Capts are primarily desk jobs but do get to patrol when time allows.

All State Park Rangers are comissioned officers but they can only use their authority on state park lands. Which is why you usually just see them doing boat checks at state park boat ramps. The only time they can leave park lands to enforce laws is when somebody commits a serious crime on park lands and flees out of the park. The state park admin isn't too keen on rangers writing citations.

[CAMPMEAT]

A female Game agent in Fruitland area was puling people over and citing them for no seatbelt!!
Carl

Speaking of seatbelt laws.....am I required to wear a seatbelt when out on gravel roads (DNR or Weyerhauser land)?  It makes it a lot slower to have to unbuckle my seat-belt before I jump out of the truck to shoot a deer.  I don't want to get a ticket from a Warden for not having a seat-belt on, but sometimes when out scouting in Capital Forest or wherever I may take the seat-belt off for a while on the back roads.

Our Game Warden says "you do not have wear a seatbelt when off of Public roads " this means you don't have to wear them on forest service rds etc. He should know, but ask BIGTEX to get it clarified first.

[Curly]

Thanks Campmeat.  I was hoping somebody would know the answer.  I figured Bigtex would have known, but maybe he didn't see the question.

BTW - it was a serious question, and I was joking about the road hunting situation.......(in case anybody had any doubt).

[bigtex]

Curly,
USFS roads are considered public roads (as well as BLM, DNR & WDFW roads) and all traffic laws must be followed, in fact the USFS does a lot of traffic enforcement on their lands. One of the top DUI officers in Pierce County is a USFS Officer.

As far as private timberland roads it comes to be a little tricky because state motor vehicle laws regulate public roads. However as I have said most timber companies (I know Hancock does for sure) require that you follow all state traffic laws while on their lands, and if you violate the law you can be charged with trespass.

What are the chances of getting a ticket by a WDFW Officer on Weyerhaeuser or other private timber company lands for no seat belt? Very minimal. However it is great probable cause to pull you over and talk to you.

When on USFS or BLM lands their officers do a lot of traffic enforcement so the chances are higher of not only being pulled over but also cited for no seat belt.

[bigtex]

Thanks Campmeat.  I was hoping somebody would know the answer.  I figured Bigtex would have known, but maybe he didn't see the question.

BTW - it was a serious question, and I was joking about the road hunting situation.......(in case anybody had any doubt).

I also answered this question on the previous page....

[Curly]

Thanks Bigtex.  You are a valuable asset to this site and a wealth of knowledge.  

Sorry I missed it on the previous page.......a lot of info and hard to keep up sometimes.

 (I see I missed a whole half of a page......)

[CAMPMEAT]

I have actually seen a Forest Circus cop running radar off of Skate Creek going into Packwood years ago. That's the only one I've ever seen. I NEVER see Forest Circus cops in the woods here, NEVER !!!

[bigtex]

I have actually seen a Forest Circus cop running radar off of Skate Creek going into Packwood years ago. That's the only one I've ever seen. I NEVER see Forest Circus cops in the woods here, NEVER !!!

Ya they are pretty limited in numbers. Right now all USFS Ranger Stations in WA have one officer, the Randle District is the only station with two officers. BLM only has two officers to cover all of eastern washington.

[nontypical176]

Done, but........what a crappy survey, there should be a comment area so those of us that have positive suggestions to make can make suggestions.  Seems like thats what the survey was about I think.  It says check 3 things at one point, but nothing I wanted to check was on there.  I'm sure the WDFW can pay people to find out what we think and fix the problems....Baa ha ha haaaaa.  What a joke.