Yakima Training Center Buck

[coachcw]

well said fish hunt . I'm in a good mood today so I'm staying away from this one.

[boneaddict]

Whiteman weren't the best stewards last year either, and that didn't help the numbers on the firing center.  There were too many permits given out.  That being said, the relentless slaughter of the indians compounded the problem since they don't go off of any accountability.  Might as well open it up to anyone who wants to hunt.  Anytime the whiteman tries any sort of conservation here come the Yakamas to take advantage of the increased number of critters or trophies.   Not sure what ceremonial purpose the elk has for them since there weren't any back in the day when they supposedly developed these ceremonies.  They used mostly salmon.  Maybe they ran out of them.

[trophyhunt]

Cry, Cry that's all you do!! 

That's all we can do, want to meet behind in the parking lot after school?

[Cougeyes]

Whiteman weren't the best stewards last year either, and that didn't help the numbers on the firing center.  There were too many permits given out.  That being said, the relentless slaughter of the indians compounded the problem since they don't go off of any accountability.  Might as well open it up to anyone who wants to hunt.  Anytime the whiteman tries any sort of conservation here come the Yakamas to take advantage of the increased number of critters or trophies.   Not sure what ceremonial purpose the elk has for them since there weren't any back in the day when they supposedly developed these ceremonies.  They used mostly salmon.  Maybe they ran out of them.

There have probably been too many permits given out for the past few years out there.  At least they knocked the tag numbers way down and only a few deer will get shot out there this year by permit holders, who knows what tribal members will do.

[boneaddict]

One of the success features it had (last year)was that they didn't have hunting out there the year before.  Zero permits were given out.  That gave every deer a chance to get one year older.  Age equals size.

[trophyhunt]

I was in there two years in a row, got lucky and drew with 6 points then had some friends ask us to join their group and they had 6 which gave us three. Anyway my point is back in 04 and 05 there was a lot of deer and bucks seen by our group, you had plenty of choices on what kind of buck you wanted. It just my feeling that the permits were set at a fairly good quota, everything was going good until the Indians realized how easy it is to kill out there.  My good friends were in there this year and saw only 3 bucks no does in three days.  The number of permits I feel had nothing to do with the deer numbers, It' all about the Indian slaughter of them.

[Bigtine96]

Along with the indians the cougars have been decimating these deer guys, one ran right in front of my truck 200 yards past the second gate. There is cougars and indians everywhere, as far as I'm concerned if there is not something done we can say goodbye to the firingcenter.

[Whitefoot]

Whitefoot, why didnt you take your best of 09'-10' bulls down to the central wa sportsmans show this last year. Was it because you were tired of being scolded by your own people for killing so many bulls or was it because you were under investigation for illegally harvesting a certain bull in the clockum?

I haven't done anything illegal in the clockum or anywhere hunting!   I have only hunted the training center once.  so don't be saying i'm in there killing all the bucks!  Get your facts straight.

[woodywsu]

Can you provide some facts on what you have taken?

[Cougeyes]

Along with the indians the cougars have been decimating these deer guys, one ran right in front of my truck 200 yards past the second gate. There is cougars and indians everywhere, as far as I'm concerned if there is not something done we can say goodbye to the firingcenter.

To many permits, native american harvest, disease, poor habitat in many areas (increased weeds) etc... along with predation = low deer numbers.  Permit numbers being knocked back should help them rebound.  There aren't cougars everywhere...because you saw one doesn't mean they are all over the place.  There are a few out there but no where near the number some of you guys suspect there are. I read on here the one guy claims 12-14 i highly doubt that.

[101hntr]

its also that the state doesn't spend half of what it should towards conservation and the managers cant tell their a$$es from their elbows yet alone manage wildlife populations. I'm willing to beat that most of the money we spend on tags, incentive permits and licenses goes to lining politicians wallets not wildlife management otherwise the salmon and steelhead populations wouldn't be the worst its been in years and there might actually be deer areas like this one would be returned to the way it used to be. I remember when they changed 340 to spike only for elk just for a couple of years like 6 years ago, but they're making too much money with little effort off of permits, which is probably the case with this area. the state wont do much in lines of wildlife management unless they can make money off of it like tickets.

[KopperBuck]

Know an elk tag holder for the ytc - saw tribal with three  bucks and a cow.  No orange and one guy riding in the back of the truck with the gun.   Now you or I try that.

I do that all the time - it's this kind of BS assumption that gets people turned into knots. Where is there anything wrong here? I can't speak to the seasons, but man, I'd sure like to be innocent until proven guilty. Or do we not believe in that anymore. I don't ride around with orange on all the time. And I've ridden in the back of the truck 90% of the time during OR elk with a gun. Is it because it's visible vs in the cab? 

I'm not even touching the native issue. I have my own opinions, but I don't need the internet jury deciding whether I'll burn in hell for them. But these type of generalizations are wrong, regardless of the party.

[Bigtine96]

Along with the indians the cougars have been decimating these deer guys, one ran right in front of my truck 200 yards past the second gate. There is cougars and indians everywhere, as far as I'm concerned if there is not something done we can say goodbye to the firingcenter.

To many permits, native american harvest, disease, poor habitat in many areas (increased weeds) etc... along with predation = low deer numbers.  Permit numbers being knocked back should help them rebound.  There aren't cougars everywhere...because you saw one doesn't mean they are all over the place.  There are a few out there but no where near the number some of you guys suspect there are. I read on here the one guy claims 12-14 i highly doubt that.

I've seen 3 different cougars now, and there may be 12 cougars now but next year there could be 20 and so on and so on. Don't kid yourself cougars are doing their part. Its estimated that a cougar kills one deer a week. Do the math

[Cougeyes]

I dont need to do the math.  I know on average a cougar will take prey biomass equivalent to that of a deer a week.  I'm not arguing that topic. I just dont buy into the numbers i see thrown out here.  Cougars are a self-regulating predator with strict territorial boundaries.  Males fight for breeding rights and territories and have home ranges of up to 250-300 square miles.  Females home ranges may overlap.  My point is males aren't going to just let other males in to breed and eat their food its like letting a guy come into your house, sit on your couch and eat your food then sleep with your significant other.  You would'nt let that happen would you?  Cougars come to a balance on the landscape where males are often driven by the number of females present and will kill eachother if intruding on another males territory. Females are often food driven.  With the lack of deer out there i dont see the training center supporting that many cougars.  I've seen a kill site out there i dont doubt they're there and taking their fair share of the deer, where there's deer there's usually cougar.  

[Bigtine96]

Very true that makes sense, nevertheless the combined killings from cougars, indians and excess tags has taken its toll.