Story WA state record James Cartwright buck; 200 3/8 Typical

[wehunt1]

I am Sam that missed this buck the year before it was poached. I was sick for a year after that shot and was looking forward to hunting that great buck the next season. Then I found out it had been poached and cartwright has swapped a 338 win mag for it, I was just sick. I called cartwright and ask if i could go to his house and look at the buck, which he let me do and after looking it over I am sure it was the same deer. It was shot with a 22 and backed over with the poachers pickup, which broke the antler. I hunted the property this buck came from for years and saw a lot of very nice bucks and did see 1 other buck in the 190 class that i screwed up on and did shoot a 165 5X5 there, but that has been years ago and I don't hunt up there anymore. The genetics are there and someday there will be another giant come from that area.

[boneaddict]

If anyone has facts to back up their claims they should follow up with them.   Other than that its just hearsay.   the Boone and Crocket club would be a good place for you all to submit your testimony.   I could send them a link to this thread but your individual testimony would hold A LOT more creed.

[300UltraMagShooter]

There are a lot of differences and some similarities in the racks.

Hard to be certain it is the same deer unless you know something specific.
 

[300UltraMagShooter]

I am Sam that missed this buck the year before it was poached. I was sick for a year after that shot and was looking forward to hunting that great buck the next season. Then I found out it had been poached and cartwright has swapped a 338 win mag for it, I was just sick. I called cartwright and ask if i could go to his house and look at the buck, which he let me do and after looking it over I am sure it was the same deer. It was shot with a 22 and backed over with the poachers pickup, which broke the antler. I hunted the property this buck came from for years and saw a lot of very nice bucks and did see 1 other buck in the 190 class that i screwed up on and did shoot a 165 5X5 there, but that has been years ago and I don't hunt up there anymore. The genetics are there and someday there will be another giant come from that area.

How do you know for a fact it was shot with a 22?   

[daydreamn]

Same Deer.  I know something specific.

[Decker]

There are a lot of differences and some similarities in the racks.

Hard to be certain it is the same deer unless you know something specific.
 

DNA test it. ...then clone it 

[bearpaw]

There are a lot of differences and some similarities in the racks.

Hard to be certain it is the same deer unless you know something specific.
 

DNA test it. ...then clone it 

Cloning for big bucks???  For sure a good topic for discussion...LOL

[DBHAWTHORNE]

There are a lot of differences and some similarities in the racks.

Hard to be certain it is the same deer unless you know something specific.
 

DNA test it. ...then clone it 

Just make sure they drop that cloned deer off in my backyard.

Cloning for big bucks???  For sure a good topic for discussion...LOL

[grundy53]

it's gonna be interesting following this saga...

[bearpaw]

it's gonna be interesting following this saga...

OK, I will make the first comment....

As interesting as it sounds, I don't agree with the idea. I'm afraid if we started messing with DNA that something unnatural would happen that would dramatically impact our deer. I think selective breeding is OK where it is accomplished by culling poor quality bucks, but I don't agree with trying to clone our wild game.

Can you imagine 100 years from now, all the bucks look the same in the photos we post....LOL
(remember: you shouldn't mess with mother nature)

Perhaps this should be in another thread so we don't jack this thread...LOL

[grundy53]

it's gonna be interesting following this saga...

OK, I will make the first comment....

As interesting as it sounds, I don't agree with the idea. I'm afraid if we started messing with DNA that something unnatural would happen that would dramatically impact our deer. I think selective breeding is OK where it is accomplished by culling poor quality bucks, but I don't agree with trying to clone our wild game.

Can you imagine 100 years from now, all the bucks look the same in the photos we post....LOL
(remember: you shouldn't mess with mother nature)

Perhaps this should be in another thread so we don't jack this thread...LOL

  i wasn't actually refering to the cloning. i was refering to whether this buck was poached or not. now i'm going to grab some popcorn and fade into the background.... 

[bearpaw]

it's gonna be interesting following this saga...

OK, I will make the first comment....

As interesting as it sounds, I don't agree with the idea. I'm afraid if we started messing with DNA that something unnatural would happen that would dramatically impact our deer. I think selective breeding is OK where it is accomplished by culling poor quality bucks, but I don't agree with trying to clone our wild game.

Can you imagine 100 years from now, all the bucks look the same in the photos we post....LOL
(remember: you shouldn't mess with mother nature)

Perhaps this should be in another thread so we don't jack this thread...LOL

  i wasn't actually refering to the cloning. i was refering to whether this buck was poached or not. now i'm going to grab some popcorn and fade into the background....  

LOL    

Actually it will be interesting to follow either.

[25wssm]

The 181 buck refered to in this thread hangs in my neighbors house.  It was not killed by the person listed in the books.  It was found dead by a logger.  A beginning taxidermist mounted the deer and put it on display in his store as advertisement.
The store owner took the head to the spostsmans show in yakima and had it scored and entered in his name.  He was smart enough not to take it to spokane where it would easily  have been recognized by locals.   The owner found out about the fraud and took the head back from the store.  My neighbor purchsed the mount.   Big antlers make people do stupid SH**.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

The 181 buck refered to in this thread hangs in my neighbors house.  It was not killed by the person listed in the books.  It was found dead by a logger.  A beginning taxidermist mounted the deer and put it on display in his store as advertisement.
The store owner took the head to the spostsmans show in yakima and had it scored and entered in his name.  He was smart enough not to take it to spokane where it would easily  have been recognized by locals.   The owner found out about the fraud and took the head back from the store.  My neighbor purchsed the mount.   Big antlers make people do stupid SH**.

Very interesting. In the spring I will be starting a project to research and compile the history/heritage of Washington whitetail for a book I am going to write. It sounds like it will be quite a challenge with many twists and turns. Despite where the truth in everything lies I just hope that people appreciate the magnificent whitetails from our region. I think recognizing the animal and where it is from is what it is all about.

[daydreamn]

The 181 buck refered to in this thread hangs in my neighbors house.  It was not killed by the person listed in the books.  It was found dead by a logger.  A beginning taxidermist mounted the deer and put it on display in his store as advertisement.
The store owner took the head to the spostsmans show in yakima and had it scored and entered in his name.  He was smart enough not to take it to spokane where it would easily  have been recognized by locals.   The owner found out about the fraud and took the head back from the store.  My neighbor purchsed the mount.   Big antlers make people do stupid SH**.

Sounds like your talking about the buck that [D.C.] picked up which hung in the Miles store for awhile?
  Another awsome Washington buck.   I thought that buck scored somewhere around 190 though, im not sure.  Mabye your talking about something totally different.  But your post made me think of that buck.