multiple season permits draw II

[Outfitter]

It has to be the money! I have had 6 of our non resident hunters tell me they drew and there $1700. Is there now a new draw or just BS.

[Ray]

6 permits doesnt bother me none. I don't think it will be a factor when it comes to the overall seasonal harvest number. Might as well let em have it I say. It's not those guys faults it is the WDFW...

[Moosehunt]

I guess that's not the point I'm trying to make.  Sour grapes....yes, I'll give you that but the WDFW can not allow the Hunters that purchased the Tags to keep them.  I could have...I saw the multi-season tag on my profile, line item 141, was available for purchase for 164.25.  Had I clicked on the tag and bought my license right then and there I would be one of the ones that get to keep the tag.  i just didn't do it.

Why can't I buy it now?  I have proof I was drawn...thanks to a screen print of my profile.  Guys, it's all or none.  No exceptions.  If we allow exceptions to exists, we allow the WDFW the opportunity to make these mistakes without consequence.  And for the record, it wasn't Outdoor Centrals problem.  It was an idiot inside of the WDFW that made the decision.  A decision that he was not authorized to make and one that has everyone here pissed about

[SuperDave]

It's a good plan on there part,  Now they get all there money right away cause everyone is going to buy it the second they find out. 

Way to go WDFW!!! not only have you figured out ways to make more money from hunters, now you've found a way to get it way in advance.

It has to be the money! I have had 6 of our non resident hunters tell me they drew and there $1700. Is there now a new draw or just BS.

  I totally agree with both these statements! I wonder what will be next?

[Ray]

I guess that's not the point I'm trying to make.  Sour grapes....yes, I'll give you that but the WDFW can not allow the Hunters that purchased the Tags to keep them. 

Not sure if that would stand up in a legal situation.

[YellowDog]

Just FYI when I purchased my multi season permits I noticed that there was an option to apply as a group permit.  I thought WTF and called the WDFW.  The gal that originally answered said no that should not be an option and actually logged on to their system using my WILD ID number.  She was like, hmm that's not right I'll check into it and call you back.  I say okay, when do you think you will call because if I can apply as a group I would like to do so and the deadling is in a few days?  Oh, I'll call you back today or tomorrow.  No call that day or the next (Friday).  I called again on Monday or Tuesday and the guy that answered said, no you can't apply as a group and everyone that purchased an application is automatically in the drawing.  He said that they are working on having the group option available for next year though. 

I'm not really blaming anyone for the actual screwed up drawings but there is no reason that the WDFW puts up with this.  Whether it is their employees, Outdoor Central, Hillary Clinton, the bottom line is that WDFW takes our money and we deserve to have competent people conducting the draws that we pay for.  The WDFW is responsible for making sure the draws are done correctly and if Outdoor Central can't do it (obviously they can not) then its time to hire someone else.

I'm not going to get too worked up about the 6 permits that were allowed to be purchased.  I don't agree with letting them keep them but that's not the big picture issue for me.  Getting the draws done right and restoring any semblance of confidence in the system is.

[Dman]

 

[rosscrazyelk]

I am not quite sure  but was not the company who did the draw last year called great northwest  now it is outdoor central? are they the same company just changed names? Maybe this site should take over the draw process to get it done right.

[CJ-5]

Thats right.  The draws just need to be done correctly, bottom line.  Us hunters having to put up with this multiple times is a bunch of garbage.  When you pay for something, (in our case the permit apps.) you expect the job to be done right.  The WDFW, or whoever is responsible for the drawing needs to understand this, plain and simple.  Quit jacking us around and do the job right.

[doveman10]

Does anybody on here know the reason why they don't want these tags to be available for draw by a group?  Why does it have to be just a single application?  I'll admit, I am one of the "brilliant" folks that put in with a group.  It's been my complaint every year the multiple weapon drawing has occurred that you couldn't put in as a party.  When I applied this year and they gave me the option to put in as a party I thought great, they finally are allowing it.  I didn't realize it was a mistake.

My hunting pals and I always put in for the special permits as a group.  We all go or nobody goes.  It would be nice for all of us to have the multiple weapon permit so that we could put in for the premium hunts with different weapons.  As it has been, where you can only put in single applications for the multiple weapon permit, unless we all get drawn for it (which has not happened yet) we can't all put in for the special permits together for different weapons.

It doesn't even have to be for special permit purposes.  I typically hunt with the same guys.  Last year I got drawn and bought the multiple season permit.  I bought it hoping they would get drawn on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, etc. redraw.  They actually did get the notice they drew, but not until after we had already learned we got drawn for a premium late archery hunt.  WHY WOULD ANYONE BUY IT THEN???  I don't like to hunt alone, so I wasted by money!  I took my chances that they would get drawn and I paid for it.

The game department needs to allow party permits for the multiple weapon permits and they need to be paid for in advance to eliminate the redraw crap they've encountered the previous two years! IMHO

[billythekidrock]

I am not quite sure  but was not the company who did the draw last year called great northwest  now it is outdoor central? are they the same company just changed names?

Outdoor Central has been doing it the last few years. Before it was Great Lodge. Yes, same group.

[billythekidrock]

Does anybody on here know the reason why they don't want these tags to be available for draw by a group?  Why does it have to be just a single application?   

Probably because someone in the group would not purchase the permit for one reason or another. (not that it doesn't happen already.)

[Gobble]

Has anyone heard when the new results get posted?

[FISHBOY]

They are posted.

[Shadow Cat]

This what I sent to them...

Dear Dr. Jeffrey P. Koenings,
I think I can speak for many in Washington who are few up with the mistakes AKA “technical error” that have been made when it comes to draws. On one hand, we see that we had been drawn for a species and the next we have not been. Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife is a state government agency, meaning you are the people’s employees and work for us, the citizens of Washington. If you were an employer, would you put up with your employees constantly making mistakes like this? I some how doubt it, so why should we? WDFW has gotten to the point that it has forgotten who it works for and needs to be reminded.
We that had been drawn and then lost tags in the second drawing feel we are entitled to a refund of our money. We paid for a draw and had received what we purchased: 1 DRAWING PER SPECIES. We did NOT pay for the opportunity to loose a tag that we had drawn. I understand that over the years it has become common for a political candidate to demand a recount after an election because they did not like the results. Well, this is NOT politics so leave that can of worms to the politicians and stop following their bad example.
I myself work in the IT field so if you need QUALITY IT personnel to do the job right, then start here with someone who understands the outdoors peoples issues. There needs to be a quality assurance system in place to ensure that mistakes are not repeated.
Please feel free to contact me to discuss this matter in more detail.

Sincerely,

Bob