multiple season permits draw II

[Gobble]

Good Post.

I got shafted twice in a year    Can't understand how some people on the board were drawn last year and drawn again this year. That stinks for the rest of us who don't get drawn (nothing persaonal) but what they hey, I'm a sore loser I guess 

[steeleywhopper]

I don't know if I am missing something here, but I can't see on the website where any draw results are posted. The only thing posted is bear and cougar results. I don't trust the "back door" draw history due to the fact that it says 3/27/08 for the draw date.

[rackattack]

I think in this case the "back door" method is the correct results.  They have a statement saying that the draw done on the 11th was correct, so the you see are final.  Lost my elk tag , but did learn that any time I see results posted on there, I need to go buy the tag.  Just think of all those people last year that lost their OIL tags on the first draw.  I wonder if the WDFW would have let them keep their tags................

[boneaddict]

Don't worry, they will have at least three more drawings before its all said and done for those that put in but really didn't want the tag anyway. 

[Wea300mag]

Bone is right, since I was drawn to hunt MT (just found out today), I will most likely not purchase the Elk permit I was drawn for. It was all a timing thing, I put in for the multi-season permit to insure I had plenty of hunting time available. Now, since I will be in MT for two weeks, it's not needed anymore.

[Webfoot]

 Thats why it should be mandatory to put up the 164 bucks to get in the drawing.

John

[Wea300mag]

Webfoot,

I agree that's how it should be for this permit and for the once in a lifetime permits for moose, goat, and sheep too. It could have easily worked the other way for me. If I didn't get drawn for MT, I would have immediately bought the multi-season elk permit, then if I were drawn for a special elk permit over the summer, I would have likely never used the multi-season permit. When it's all said and done, I look at all my odds, costs, etc and make the best decision for me.

Dan

[PolarBear]

Yep, go back to having to pay up front for applications and it will weed out a ton of folks who are going at it half adzed. 

[billythekidrock]

Yep, go back to having to pay up front for applications and it will weed out a ton of folks who are going at it half adzed. 

I would love to have it go back to that, but how do we offset the cost of them cutting checks and the lower amount (permit ap fee) of people applying?

Do we allow them to keep our money in a special fund? I would let them keep mine for a few years. Maybe they could release it only once a year if you never applied again?

Or do we pay $10 per OIL as a permit ap fee?

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

Colorado charges you 25 to buy a point, prety cheap if you ask me. Oregon is 84 i think because you have to buy a license. WA is the cheapest. They could make more, but i think they would rather stick it to us that live here than to the out of staters.

[E-Town Hunter]

Looks like its a big NO this year for me. Didn't get drawn and the lady said I was 2200 or something in line for the redraws. Oh well at least I know and can concentrate my efforts in one season.

[Moosehunt]

I have the Asst WA State Attorney General - the liason from the AG office to WDFW - looking into the drawing, mistake, poor decision and re-draw.  He and I had a great discussion.  He was aware of the redraw but no one had asked him to look into the legality of the decisions made.  I think the single largest issue for me (and hopefully) most of you, is the fact that 5-6 people got to keep the permit they purchased during the period of time from the 1st draw until the WDFW pulled the Permit from each hunters profile.  I was advised on numerous occasions from those inside the WDFW, some of high rank, that it was just to difficult to track down those that made the purchase and then equally as difficult to give a refund.  This is the crux of the redraw.  All or none - not some and then the rest.  The next step in this will be to contact the State's Ethics Board and make a complaint about this issue.  Something will come of it.  If any of you are interested in reading, check out the RCW 9.46.400 - Wildlife Raffles.  It basically states that the WDFW is not regulate by the Gambling Commission.  What I want to know is 'Who is regulating what is being done when Price-Chance-and Consideration is given.'  This means a lottery.   The WDFW takes our money and then changes the rules three-quarters of the way through to suit there needs, especially after a mistake is made.  The other piece of information we need is the 5-6 people that ended up with the permits (you know - the ones that got to participate in the first drawing and not forced to be part of the second) - this is all about Public Disclosure.  They have to give it.  Once we have it - let's see if there are any relationships that are questionable.

Too many questions, suspicions etc to make me say 'better luck next time.'

[nwhunter]

So if you drew one of these tags can you purchase it online or do you have to buy it from a store vendor? Looks like I better hurry up and get it bought before it gets taken away! nwhunter

[steeleywhopper]

Called the fish and game office today and found out I got the Deer tag. Watch out big boys here I come. Gonna be hunting for a trophy this year.

[WDFW-SUX]