Illegal to hunt coyotes at night.

[tlbradford]

Not slow, they just phrase everything in a crappy way.  Kind of like how they describe an antler point for an elk.

[Special T]

My wife made owners manuals for a manufacture for a while... you REALLY have to have some one who 1 knows thier stuff really well, and 2 some one that can write better than the Engrish we normally speak/wright....    Its harder than you would think to put aout a quality product.. But if they actually listened to hunter/fisherman sugestions they wouldn't have so much trougble....To bad they don't have a PR person or leasion that works with the sportsman AND the system...

[Kain]

Not slow, they just phrase everything in a crappy way.  Kind of like how they describe an antler point for an elk.

So crappy that even the Criminal Justice Liaison/Rules Coordinator has a hard time with them.  To give her credit she did come around to the correct interpretation.  Hopefully this doesnt happen again though.  What a mess.

[Machias]

Goodness gracious.   

[stumprat]

Kain P.M. sent.

[spikehunter]

does christies left hand know what her right hand is doing

[stumprat]

Here is a link to an updated thread on this issue. From the W.W.P.H.A. website

http://wwpha.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=0&func=view&catid=15&id=1163

The update for this post is on page 2 of the thread.

[mjbskwim]

Well I didn't read all the posts,but a lot of the first page
And I'm not a lawyer.
BUT,one thing I do know is that if there is a contradiction in the own rules,they will have a very hard time convicting anyone of anything.
So if everything else you are doing while night hunting is legal,they can't really do too much.
No?

[Kain]

The funny thing is is that there is NO conflicting WAC's or rules.  That is what I have been trying to explain to them.  The WAC doesnt mention coyote because its not supposed to. 

[mjbskwim]

OK in the information available to you from either the manual or personal e-mails from uninformed department staff.

Seems they would have to issue an official update and post it at stores and their web page 
Just don't see how they can do much in court.

Oh take your least favorite rifle to test this.

[Kain]

There is an errata section for the game regs.  It is the first couple of pages on the online pdf. 

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf

There is also a little section on page 9 that is kind of scary also.

WAC Summary Information
This pamphlet is a summary of the hunting regulations and seasons adopted
by the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission. This pamphlet does not
contain nor is it intended to contain all Department regulations. Regulations
specific to the hunting seasons described in this pamphlet are found in
Sections 232-28-248 through 232-28-516, and 232-12-001 through 232-12-
830, of the Washington Administrative Code.

So just going by the regs in the pamphlet they still might be able to mess with you.

[Special T]

That is a CYA statement to cover their a$$! If you think they are going to hang you out to dry over Shooting some coyotes  with their book in hand you must be spotlighting around the Redmond- Issaquah area.... I have had a couple of contacts with sheriffs wanting to know if it was legal to be hunting where i was at.... I said sure you bet... and ended the conversation... They have to prove you did something wrong, AND most times you will be contacted by a Sheriff that has few clues about the details of said law... Carry the book and if they want to charge them make them SHOW YOU THE STATUTE! No reason to be scared, We all bitch about how lightly they treat poatchers... WTH do they think they are gona do when you shooting Yotes? IVARHUSA had a post on here recently talking about how he accidentally trespassed near tricites shooting yotes.... The owner just informed him and he was on his way... Yotes aren't like deer or elk.... I know we all want to stay on the right side of the law, but when THEIR info is so convoluted you can A not go out, or B be smart and go out....I get so tired of being pushed around by Bureaucratic red tape it makes me furious!

[BlackRidge]

Without including all applicable rules in the main pamphlet we all use/receive, I don't see how they could expect to win against a violator in court   

Thats like saying ok, heres the book of law(s)...... buuuut we kept some out of it, so if you want to check what those are, do ______

[Kain]

You are right.  I was just saying the scary parts is that they can make changes to regs after they are printed and make something illegal when it clearly says its OK in the regs.  I doubt any officer is going to mess with you over it and will probably just inform you of the changes.

[billythekidrock]

Here is a link to an updated thread on this issue. From the W.W.P.H.A. website

http://wwpha.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=0&func=view&catid=15&id=1163

The update for this post is on page 2 of the thread.

Great work Adna!

It goes to show how things can get twisted when the department is "overthinking" an issue.

All right guys.......get a light and get some dogs at night. Let the pic parade begin.