Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010

[h2ofowlr]

A lot of people post pictures and talk about the roads and spots they were on or at then complain when there are a ton of people in those spots.  The internet is a wonderful thing.   

[Thenewguy]

With all the crap posted on here about the Winston unit I do not understand why anyone bothers to hunt there. Might be just me, but ain't no elk worth all that crap. Geez guys......

nothing close to roads is much better

[wonder]

Let's not sugar coat this incident guys, you draw a weapon on someone for something other than self defense and expect to get shot.  These two knuckleheads are real lucky they aren't being nominated for a Darwin Award.  I'm glad knowone was hurt here but it's exactly why more and more people are packing just in case you run into this.  What ever happened to duking it out like in the good ol days ?

I will be vey curious to see what happens next.  2 on 1 with no witnesses for the victim.  Smoke and mirrors please

[GHETTO GUIDE]

OKAY , its been a week.  I would think that drawing a deadly weapon on someone would receive a prompt response by CCSO. 

Update please?

[bobcat]

There's no proof of anything so I don't see how law enforcement could do anything about it.

[Glockster]

A couple observations:

~ Elk and Goose hunting seems to make people loose their common sense and makes those who are tempted cut corners to make kills.  Gotta kill so I can post it on the internet.

~ Since archery seasons have been whittled down to relatively few units and shorter time frames the crowding makes for some 'interesting' situations.

~ Generation ME in action: competitive , rude, confrontational, inconsiderate, and dangerous. 

[chester]

  What ever happened to duking it out like in the good ol days ?

He wouldnt get out of the truck.

[salmonslayer1]

  What ever happened to duking it out like in the good ol days ?

He wouldnt get out of the truck.

[Chesapeake]

I didnt read all this, but read most of it.

Seems to me both parties took things too far, and showed thier bad sides.

Yeah, its bad to block roads, but in this case I believe it was fairly obvious the intent of the hunters was to prevent thier stalk from being ruined. To say that if they would have parked off the side you would have respected that and not driven in, yet the vehicle across the road gave the same signal and you drove around.

Two wrongs dont make a right. Its not like guys carry around signs that say "I'm actively stalking elk, please dont drive out to the landing and ruin my stalk" in thier trucks to place in the road.

Yes I'm fully against habitual road blocking, or blocking a road just to keep others out while you go hunt, ect....... But I would understand a guy doing a short term road block just to facilitate an active stalk on spotted animals. As well as I would respect a guy standing in a road asking the same of me while his budies actively stalked animals.

The part of them drawing down on you is also BS to a much larger degree. Thier lucky you are some what cool headed. I cant say a threat on my life would go unanswered like the one on your life did.

[bobcat]

Well said Chesapeake. That's exactly the way I see it.

[seth30]

With my temper That incident would have been on the evening news

[stlhdr1]

I'd have made dude's head into a canoe....

Keith

[ELKHOG]

In reply to the guy who said "to get out of the truck" or the guy who said something about duking it out - obviously these guys hunt the same way as those who blocked the road.  And duking it out probably wouldn't have been a good idea unless they wanted to be met with a 40 SW in hand.  The bottom line is that you don't block a road!  People like this don't play fair - they're cheaters, they're guys who don't obey the rules of the woods, they're disrespectful a-holes.   

People like that only make a bad name for sportsmen. 

I stand by what I said earlier - I am proud of him and he was smart to just back out and drive away - that was the smarter person.  Why should they get the respect of the hunt when they broke the rules?  What gives them the right to go around a closed area - the signs were clear.  They deserved to get their hunt ruined.  In fact they deserved a lot more but at least they didn't get an elk.   

[chester]

In reply to the guy who said "to get out of the truck" or the guy who said something about duking it out - obviously these guys hunt the same way as those who blocked the road.  And duking it out probably wouldn't have been a good idea unless they wanted to be met with a 40 SW in hand.  The bottom line is that you don't block a road!  People like this don't play fair - they're cheaters, they're guys who don't obey the rules of the woods, they're disrespectful a-holes.  

People like that only make a bad name for sportsmen.  

I stand by what I said earlier - I am proud of him and he was smart to just back out and drive away - that was the smarter person.  Why should they get the respect of the hunt when they broke the rules?  What gives them the right to go around a closed area - the signs were clear.  They deserved to get their hunt ruined.  In fact they deserved a lot more but at least they didn't get an elk.  

Your trying to say others make a bad name? you would be the guy to blow someones stalk then go up and talk crap. when they got pissed you would probably hide behind your gun. looking for a way to make it worse eh? If they are breaking the rules. its not your job to go confront them. going up with the intention of a confrontation. then resorting to a weapon. you kinda sound like a punk. dont talk it if you cant back it up. your no better then the guys who drew the bow in that case. big diff between a fist fight and assault w/ a deadly weapon. If it were me rifle hunting. and some guy came up there would be words. if you continued i would very clearly lay my rifle down on a stump and ask you to step out if you have that attitude. then what? you gonna pull your .40 on an unarmed man? your attitude sucks.

[Tony 270]

..when they got pissed you would probably hide behind your gun. looking for a way to make it worse eh? If they are breaking the rules. its not your job to go confront them. going up with the intention of a confrontation. then resorting to a weapon. you kinda sound like a punk. dont talk it if you cant back it up. your no better then the guys who drew the bow in that case. big diff between a fist fight and assault w/ a deadly weapon. If it were me rifle hunting. and some guy came up there would be words. if you continued i would very clearly lay my rifle down on a stump and ask you to step out if you have that attitude. then what? you gonna pull your .40 on an unarmed man? your attitude sucks.

When they get pissed you hide behind your gun? Difference between getting pissed and someone threatening injury/death with a weapon. In that case I sure as hell would have pulled my gun just in case.

They resorted to the weapon, not the OP.

A punk is someone who gets a weapon pulled on them? Ummm... whatever.

I'm sure we've all had someone drive up on us, behind open or locked gates. Do you threaten everyone every time? And this other guy is the punk?

And is a bad idea to get into a fight whether or not the person puts their weapon down. Known too many who either have friends jump in once they start getting their ass whooped or would resort to grabbing a weapon once they started getting their ass whooped. Either way, not a good idea.




This thread is stupid. People who block roads are selfish pricks. If there is the chance of getting something, leave one person back behind to explain it to anyone who happens to be coming, don't block the road for anyone and everyone with your vehicle (unless the road is about to end very shortly and doesn't go on for miles or have intersections). Don't pull weapons on anyone, ever, unless your life is on the line and you are defending yourself and not your *censored* hunting grounds.






As for the OP, he should have stopped and left the area as soon as he saw the guys going after the elk rather than continuing and driving right up to them.