Loooong trip

[Machias]

Whew, I'm wore out.  Left yesterday at 0730 and did a 1600 mile round trip to Northern CA and back to pick up a new lion/bear pup. He's an 18 month old Leopard Cur.  I'll post some photos in the next couple of days.  Man I hit some really heavy heavy rain just before Cascade Lock all the way down past Albany.

[wsucowboy]

looking forward to seeing some pics

[buckhorn2]

There has sure been some bad driving weather glad you made it will be waiting for pictures.

[rasbo]

yeah thats a drive,got family there in greenville....how ya like the burney area..lots and lots of bears

[Machias]

Love the Burney area, LOTS of bears.  Fun place to chase them too!

[mulehunter]

Sweet. Look like ur excited. Can't wait to hear more.

Mulehunter

[quadrafire]

Is that a catahoulan?

[carpsniperg2]

love the leopard curs! one of my favorite breed of hounds. Wish i had knew you came threw around my area. could of offered you a break from the road. We just came back from carson tonight and it was pour in cats and dogs! all the way back to biggs

[Machias]

   It's a cur, not a hound!   

It's not a catahoula, it's an American Leopard Cur.     Not too offend anyone, but and this is just my opinion, catahoula leopard curs and American Leopard curs are like comparing blue heeler to blueticks.  One is a stock dog and one is a track and tree dog.  I know in the SE US lots of guys use them for hogs and some can track game, but "generally" they have medium to hot noses, can be a bit alligatorish with other dogs, escpecialy with game, don't generally have strong treeing instincts.  The line of Leopard curs I run do everything my blueticks used to do, but handle much better.  I like them, but they are not for everyone.  Again, no offense to anyone who like the catahoulas.

[quadrafire]

Thanks for the distinction. No offense taken here. I plead ignorant!

[Machias]

That wasn't directed at you, discussing different breeds of dog are almost as bad as discussing which truck is better, religion or politics.  It can create some amazingly heated discussions.  I did not want to offend any catahoulas supporters is all. 

[mjbskwim]

Come on now,lets get it right


http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/News/AmericanLeopardHoundBecomes04222008102024AM

Effective May 1, 2008, the Leopard Cur will become the American Leopard Hound. They will be eligible to compete in all UKC licensed coonhound events provided they have American Leopard Hound papers or Easy Entry Card. All previously earned points and titles will transfer with the dog. There are just a handful of them that have titles and out of respect for those hunters and the dogs that earned them, they will remain with the dog. There will likely be a set period of time for Leopards not currently registered with UKC to be brought into the registry as American Leopard Hounds under the rules and fee structure previously used for Leopard Curs.
 

[Machias]

Actually I do NOT own any HOUNDS, I wouldn't buy a UKC Leopard hound if it was a nickel.  I own and hunt American Leopard Cur  (ALCBA) registered dogs.  UKC is all about making money off of registry and litter registrations.  In my not so humble opinion UKC doesn't have ANY regard for breeding or improving the breed of a line of dogs.  The ALCBA which stands for American Leopard Cur Breeders Association split two years ago.  The reason for the split is lots of folks back east wanted to compete in the UKC nite hunts however UKC would not allow anything other than coonhounds to compete.  Also UKC saw dollar signs so they made the UKC Leopard Hound.  Here's the problem with it.  They were NEVER hounds.  Never have been and NEVER will be, however now you have lots of dogs that should NEVER have been bred being bred and producing puppies that should have been culled.  In the ALCBA your dog has to show three people/witnesses, one of which must be a ALCBA member, that is can track and tree it's own game before it can be permanently registered or reproduce.  That ensures only good hunting dogs are registered and reproduce.  UKC doesn't have a care in the world how the parents hunt or if they are worth a dang or if they even meet the breed standard.  Just send that money in with the registration application.  Worst thing that even happen to those dogs.  I own Leopard Curs, Not hounds.  

[NWBREW]

I'd like to see pictures......please. 

[Machias]

[Machias]

Color is the last thing you worry about when breeding ALCBA dogs, they have black and tans, brindle, saddle back, and merle.  I'll try to find some more photos for you.

[GUscottie]

gorgeous

[Machias]

Here is a truck full of Leopards



Treed by some Leopards in N. CA



There are also two leopard photos in my photo alblum.

[Machias]

This is a good description and a couple of photos of the merle varity.

http://www.treehound.com/html/leopard.html

[carpsniperg2]

Good looking dog!

[Machias]

Wanted to say one last thing, I LOVE hounds, they are awesome.  These aren't hounds and alot of houndsmen would NOT allow one of these dogs in their box, because they love hounds and would only run hounds.  Most houndsmen if you ask them do not consider UKC Leopard hounds...hounds.  They recognize UKC did it strictly for the money.  ALOT of houndsmen did not want to allow Leopard Curs to become the 7th coonhound breed.  I happen to agree with them.  Why do I like them?  They do everything my bluetick coonhounds used to do, track and tree game, open on track, they have everything from hot to cold nosed individuals.  Very gritty, very smart.  But they handle alot better then most hounds I've been around.  That is why I like them.

[carpsniperg2]

Around this area  if a dog hunts, its welcome in any box  don't matter if its Walker or Cur, blue or black. Looks like you got a nice addition

[mjbskwim]

Machias :Actually I do NOT own any HOUNDS, I wouldn't buy a UKC Leopard hound if it was a nickel.  I own and hunt American Leopard Cur  (ALCBA) registered dogs.  UKC is all about making money off of registry and litter registrations.

Kinda what I thought was coming.And I would probably agree with you on that.

The part about culling the pups is the disturbing part about most dog breeders.
Just don't breed if you may need to cull them.

How do you just take the pups out and kill them,then go sleep soundly?

[Machias]

This one is 18 months old and only lightly started.  We'll see if he makes a finished dog or not, only time will tell.  Very fast dogs.  I have seen everything from hot nosed to very cold nose.  I would say on average the dogs I get from Mr. Oller are cold nosed.  They are excellent bobcat dogs and you probably know what type of nose they need for bobbers.  If your ever going to try a Leopard Cur I would steer clear of the UKC Leopard Hounds, there are some good ones, but the quailty is much better with ALCBA registered dogs and I would narrow that down even further to McDuffie line of Leopard Curs.  There are a couple of good breeders here on the west coast.  McDuffie dogs have good noses, good coats and are really good track and tree dogs.

[Machias]

Machias :Actually I do NOT own any HOUNDS, I wouldn't buy a UKC Leopard hound if it was a nickel.  I own and hunt American Leopard Cur  (ALCBA) registered dogs.  UKC is all about making money off of registry and litter registrations.

Kinda what I thought was coming.And I would probably agree with you on that.

The part about culling the pups is the disturbing part about most dog breeders.
Just don't breed if you may need to cull them.

How do you just take the pups out and kill them,then go sleep soundly?

Cull has many meanings, it does not mean they have to be killed.  All of the pups I've culled have been given to good pet homes.  Some pups, no matter how much of a super star their parents are never make hunting dogs.  Those pups usually make great family pets.  Leopard Curs are great companion dogs.

[mjbskwim]

Cull has many meanings, it does not mean they have to be killed.  All of the pups I've culled have been given to good pet homes.  Some pups, no matter how much of a super star their parents are never make hunting dogs.  Those pups usually make great family pets.  Leopard Curs are great companion dogs.
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Thank you for that.
I always wondered why the breeders didn't just have a friend sell the pups so the bad ones weren't connected with their kennel.