338 federal? same as 338 win mag?

[bankwalker]

are they the same catridge? or different.

cause the rifle im looking at says the action is built around a 308, and isnt a 338 win mag alot bigger then a 308 case?

thanks...im kinda confused. well ok alot confused lol

[Red Dawg]

not even close. The 338 fed is nearly identical to the 308 and 300 savage.

[coyotemadness]

Take a 308 and neck it up to 338. Thats the idea of it.

[bankwalker]

not even close. The 338 fed is nearly identical to the 308 and 300 savage.

ok thanks. thats what i was thinking. but i couldnt for the life of me find anyting that said the size of the 338 federal.

[bankwalker]

what about the 260 remington?

and would a 338 fed be a good round for high country hunting? or should i stick with something a little smaller and flatter shooting?

the rifle im buying is a kimber 84m montana

it comes in

243. win
257. rob
260. rem
7mm -08 rem
308. win
338. fed

out of those calibers which would be the best for the high country? not concerning bear encounters of course. i have my revolver for those 

[FOsteology]

What are you going to be hunting? What's the terrain like? Thick timber??

[280ackley]

If that is all they offer in the model you want I would go for the 7mm-08.

[FOsteology]

120gr. T-TSX in the 7mm-08 is wicked on game. 

[bankwalker]

What are you going to be hunting? What's the terrain like? Thick timber??

im not sure on any of the terrain yet. i have not scouted any area for the high hunt yet.

thats the only reason i am gonna hunt modern firearm this season is for the high hunt. and im buying this rifle for that purpose and that purpose only.

[Bookworm]

I have a Tikka in 338 fed. I bought it for a short to medium range elk round. I haven't fully explored the potential for it yet but the load that I have sorta settled on works just fine out to 300 yds.

[MountainWalk]

if that was all that was offered, i would take the 308. the others cant shoot 180-200 grain bullets.,not counting the 338fed.. personally i think the 338 fed is a *censored*. im tired of the "lets create a new cartridge" game.... 308 ammo is cheap, you can get it everywhere, and its proven.

[jackelope]

you're spending that kind of money for a rifle for 1 season and 1 hunt?
damn...wish i had your money. 
kimber, right? not kimda.

i think the next deer specific rifle i buy will be a 257 bob.

[MountainWalk]

i think jackelope is right on.. my next deer specific rifle would be a 257 bob, or  6mm rem.

[bankwalker]

yeah im not extremely happy with what this rifle has to offer as far as calibers. im a huge 257 roberts fan though, but i think im gonna go with something a little bigger either 308 or 7mm-08.

idk though yet...i may go with the kimber 8400 instead of the 84m. either way im getting the montana model sence its the lightest in its group of models.

i just want the 84m montana sence its lighter then all the others 84m models, and over a pound lighter then any of the 8400 models.

i can go back with my weatherby mark v ultra lighwieght or remington 700 lss choices and get a different round.

but again the remmy is 1+lb heavier then the kimber 84m montana

and the weatheryby is just way more then i wanna spend, although i dont have a problem spending that money on a rifle im gonna be hiking 20 miles in a day with.

money is no object for this new toy, and i want to make sure i get exactly what i want. that goes for wieght, style, caliber, feel, optics...etc. etc. etc.

i dont reload at all...and i dont have the time to get custom work done. so what ever rifle i get will be a factory model, and all ammo will be factory loads UNless its a caliber my buddie loads.

[bankwalker]

you're spending that kind of money for a rifle for 1 season and 1 hunt?
damn...wish i had your money. 
kimber, right? not kimda.

i think the next deer specific rifle i buy will be a 257 bob.

lol typing fast isnt my best skill

um well its specificly gonna be used for the high country. sure it will be a general season rifle as well. but my main focus is losing wieght sence its gonna be on my shoulder ALOT. i already hike more then most people during the general season.

and trust me i dont have that kinda money. but im not gonna skip out on what i want this time. there has been to many times i have baught a firearm just because i "could" and didnt like it.

this is the first time i am actually researching different rifles, and calibers, trying to get exactly what i want. that way im not buying a rifle and not liking it and selling it for half of what i payed for after only putting 20 rounds through it and never hunting with it.

[MountainWalk]

i think its way easier and cheaper to lose a few pounds and get stronger than to spend way more money on a gun 1-2 lbs lighter... most , most, lightweights i have hefted feel too whippy.. the wind is not blowing its ass off in the store. but up in the hills, it will.

[jackelope]

i believe, and i might be wrong, that the kimber 84 is the short action calibers and the 8400 is the long actions. you may find more along the lines of what you want caliber wise if you look at the long action version. aside from that, i think they are the same rifle...somebody correct me if i am wrong, FOS??

[bankwalker]

i believe, and i might be wrong, that the kimber 84 is the short action calibers and the 8400 is the long actions. you may find more along the lines of what you want caliber wise if you look at the long action version. aside from that, i think they are the same rifle...somebody correct me if i am wrong, FOS??

yea that is basicly the difference

[Bookworm]

The 338 fed. is based on the 308 round. Some of the appeal for me was the short action. The load that I have worked up so far is a little over 2600 fps. The 338 win mag. is a long action. Alot of the reloading data lists 2700 to 2800 fps. for that round. A couple hundred fps is not that big of deal to me but my loads haven't shown any signs of pressure yet so I might bump that up a little bit.

[MountainWalk]

if i wasnt able to use my 338 win mag, or a 8mm rem mag, my next choice would be a 35 whelen..or a 350 rem mag

[bobcat]

I'd go with the 308, especially since you dont reload. It'll do anything the others do, and it's a lot cheaper to shoot.

[bankwalker]

hey jackelope empty your pm's

[bankwalker]

thanks for the opinions guys

im really torn between 3 guns, and quite a few calibers.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[mossback91]

What calibers are you looking at?

[bankwalker]

257 roberts
25-06
280 rem
30-06

then 270, 7mm, 300 in wsm


those calibers minus the weatherby mags i can have reloaded from a buddie.

i also want 257 weatherby mag, and 270 weatherby mag. but those i can not get loaded. and i dont want to pay that money. though i will only have to worry about sighting it in, then it would only be shot once or twice a year.

[mossback91]

I personaly want a .280 close to 7mm rm in ballistics for deer sized bullets with less kick. I also think a 300 wsm would be rowdy. Short action and lots of poop 30 cal it would be saweet but thats jsut my opinion. I shoot a 30-06 right nwo but its not my favorite not sure why but its not. I like the 7mm rem mag better than the 06 so I think a 280 would be a perfect balance again in my opinion and the wsms are also awesome. 7mm wsm looks intrigueing but bigstick pissed me off so I say its terrible ahha no it looks good might be better in 7mm i dunno.

[Head-shot]

if that was all that was offered, i would take the 308. the others cant shoot 180-200 grain bullets.,not counting the 338fed.. personally i think the 338 fed is a *censored*. I'm tired of the "lets create a new cartridge" game.... 308 ammo is cheap, you can get it everywhere, and its proven.

  WELL said I couldn't agree more .308 all th way... 

[bankwalker]

I personaly want a .280 close to 7mm rm in ballistics for deer sized bullets with less kick. I also think a 300 wsm would be rowdy. Short action and lots of poop 30 cal it would be saweet but thats jsut my opinion. I shoot a 30-06 right nwo but its not my favorite not sure why but its not. I like the 7mm rem mag better than the 06 so I think a 280 would be a perfect balance again in my opinion and the wsms are also awesome. 7mm wsm looks intrigueing but bigstick pissed me off so I say its terrible ahha no it looks good might be better in 7mm i dunno.

well i have owned 270 wsm and 7mm wsm both great rounds. i preffer the 270wsm over the 7mm wsm.

im not a 30-06 fan at all. but i know the caliber is good and my buddie has an awesome load worked up for it. so that is the only reason i even consider it.

308 ive always wanted to own. it will do everything i would ask of it. but yet...i just havent gotten myself to own that caliber YET.

280. just has everything i can want in a round. at least on paper anyway, and the load my buddie has worked up is a bit faster according to him. and he knws his sht

from all my experiences with high country hiking, and how i hunt the low lands. i know i want the lightest rifle possible. ive got a bad back, and bucket of bolts for ankles and knees (thanks to bmx and snowboarding). i never let any of that stop me at all. but it gets annoying really fast when you carry a 8-9lb rifle/scope combo. 

so i will continue to check out different rifles, caliber does not matter to much sence i have a few that i want. i just need to find the rifle that will best fit my needs, and hope it comes in a caliber that i can work with.

[FOsteology]

i believe, and i might be wrong, that the kimber 84 is the short action calibers and the 8400 is the long actions. you may find more along the lines of what you want caliber wise if you look at the long action version. aside from that, i think they are the same rifle...somebody correct me if i am wrong, FOS??

The 84M is the short action based on the .308 cartridge. The 8400 line has both the short action based on the WSM calibers and then the Long Actions. I've handle all the versions, and the Long Actions don't feel "right" in my hands. I much prefer the 84M and the 8400 WSM's. YMMV

The 84M is by far the lightest. Average weight is just a bit over 5lbs. The WSM trip the scale a bit over 6lbs and the Long Actions 6 1/2 to a little over 6 3/4. (references the Montana's)

If you don't roll your own, you want/need the lightest weight rifle, and Elk may be on the menu.... the .308 Win makes the most sense to me.

[FOsteology]

Yet another option for factory light weight rifles is the Remington 700 Titanium. Not the Alaskan Ti, but the original Ti.

They were available in:

.260 Rem
7mm-08
.308 Win
.270 Win
30-06
7mm SAUM
.300 SAUM

The short actions weigh in at 5 1/4, the Long actions at 5 1/2, and the Shamu's at 6 3/8

If you look around, these can be found. The Ti (Bell & Carlson) stock is ok, but the grip is a little chunky to me. McMillan Classic or Mtn Rifle stock in EDGE would be ideal.

I have a Ti in 7mm-08 and .300 Shamu. I much prefer my Kimber Montana.

[WDFW-SUX]

6.5 STW has it all

[257 Wby Mag]

Yes it does Passion!! Check out the 257 Hot Tamale, my 257 pales in comparison. Feller down in Texas named James Fergusen souped up the 257 STW. Pretty impressive....

[Curly]

The Kimber 84M in .308 sounds like the best option for you since you don't reload.  If you reloaded, then maybe the 7mm-08 would a better choice.

[WDFW-SUX]

there are a ton of good calibers out there just depends if you want somthing you can buy bullets and brass for or you want to make your own

I wonder how the tube life is on a hot tamale?

[bankwalker]

i believe, and i might be wrong, that the kimber 84 is the short action calibers and the 8400 is the long actions. you may find more along the lines of what you want caliber wise if you look at the long action version. aside from that, i think they are the same rifle...somebody correct me if i am wrong, FOS??

The 84M is the short action based on the .308 cartridge. The 8400 line has both the short action based on the WSM calibers and then the Long Actions. I've handle all the versions, and the Long Actions don't feel "right" in my hands. I much prefer the 84M and the 8400 WSM's. YMMV

The 84M is by far the lightest. Average weight is just a bit over 5lbs. The WSM trip the scale a bit over 6lbs and the Long Actions 6 1/2 to a little over 6 3/4. (references the Montana's)

If you don't roll your own, you want/need the lightest weight rifle, and Elk may be on the menu.... the .308 Win makes the most sense to me.

yea thats why i wanna go with the 84m. it just feels better in my hands then the 8400.