Tradition only unit

[Ray]

Need is not very high on the relevance factor. For example - Archers don't need a lot of things - let off, drop away rests, rangefinders, lumenocks... etc

Again, there is no split. That's just hogwash talk.

[bobcat]

I haven't read much of this thread other than the first couple of posts, but I will just say I don't see any reason for separate traditional archery hunts. Archery season is already most of the month of September, and the majority of GMU's are open. Then there is the late season which is another 5 weeks. There's no reason why people can't hunt with "traditional" bows and compound bows all in the same areas, and at the same times.

[singleshot12]

How about a split season for the two, first half for the pulley pullers and the second half for traditional. Sure they are both archery but are still worlds apart -- compounds are modern and stick bow are primitive.. It would help get people back to the simple basics of archery

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Need is not very high on the relevance factor. For example - Archers don't need a lot of things - let off, drop away rests, rangefinders, lumenocks... etc

Again, there is no split. That's just hogwash talk.

Ray,

 I wil agree with you that Archers don't "need" those things. However, the difference is an Archer using a let-off, drop away rests, rangefinders etc... have a near ZERO impact on you. It certainly isn't taking away anything from you. Making a whole unit Trad Only is taking away from others who choose not to hunt Trad Only (or if disabled may not be able to hunt Trad only)

As far as their not being a split amongst different user groups....you must be seeing something completely different than me becasue I think it is rampant...and I think this would only make it worse.

[xXx Archery]

OK RAY I will ask one more time WHY? do you need your own Unit to hunt? so far you cant say why. I really would like to know.
from you RAY   "As far as archery all being together and then why do you guys need lights on the arrows? " what are you trying to Say?...I never said I want lighted nocks?....I just want to KNOW WHY...you think it would be good to separate to groups of ARCHERS. ...is it to many hunters? what tell me....in my eyes we are ALL ARCHERS ....what is it in your eye's?...by saying only Trad hunters can hunt in a unit does and is a separation of archers.
Tell me some good reasons it would be good for us as hunters to give some units to hunter for the type of bow they shoot? and give me some FACTS how it helped in Oregon. Ray Im not maken this personal ...but I feel like you are trying really hard to make it personal with ME.

[Ray]

Cory you're imagining things when it comes to making things personal. I have merely responded to your remarks here and attempted to do so in good faith. If you want to enter a conversation in good faith you certainly didn't exemplify it here. I have already stated a reason or two why I support the ideas. If you took a moment to read what I have written as opposed to slinging stuff onto the screen and accusing people of being divider perhaps you would have noticed. Most if it had nothing to do with you and nothing I have said is a personal attack against you. There is no personal issue with you unless you want to continue a conversation here or anywhere else by implying or stating that I have made a statement that degrades people based upon their equipment choices. So if you don't think I have provided enough reason, that's one thing. Making things up is another altogether.

[Ray]

Need is not very high on the relevance factor. For example - Archers don't need a lot of things - let off, drop away rests, rangefinders, lumenocks... etc

Again, there is no split. That's just hogwash talk.

Ray,

 I wil agree with you that Archers don't "need" those things. However, the difference is an Archer using a let-off, drop away rests, rangefinders etc... have a near ZERO impact on you. It certainly isn't taking away anything from you. Making a whole unit Trad Only is taking away from others who choose not to hunt Trad Only (or if disabled may not be able to hunt Trad only)

As far as their not being a split amongst different user groups....you must be seeing something completely different than me becasue I think it is rampant...and I think this would only make it worse.

Yes, and a trad opening will have zero impact on you. You're simply skeptical and have not provided good reasoning how it would negatively impact you or anyone else other than hyperbole.  For example you have taken one idea in your head and decided that is how I think and how the entire idea would work. Yet you have not asked any details. You are simply reactionary to the idea as far as I can tell. Why do I say this? Look at your response. It talks about a unit and cutting off archers and a lot of assumptions. You know what they say about assumptions.

[xXx Archery]

Ray by saying Im a ASS and supid is ok by you then Fine...I really dont care split us up, you gave so many good points on how it will HELP archers. Im fine with it now. Wa. Elk hunting so screwed up now it can only get better..Im OUT

[Ray]

Hey look anyone that wants to make stuff up and try to represent it as something I am promoting in a false light should expect a negative response. How should I respond? Thank you? My first reaction was to ignore it. I think my second reaction was to call it like I see it. How about I make some stuff up and try to represent it as your idea? It's not a good idea. Therefore I have avoided that.

Your final response is so ridiculous it actually proves my points about a lack of good faith conversation.

[singleshot12]

With guns there is a modern season(rifle) and a primitive season(muzzleloader) What would be the difference if archery went that way?

[dirty24d]

I have a question that is semi off subject. Is mating season etc. so long that they couldnt just extend out the total days available for hunting? a post i read earlier stated muzzy 9 days -modern 9 days -archery 33 days. So that 51 days of available hunting? why only 51?? why not 75?  Does anyone why the available time and the dates are what they are? And how does are available hunting days (51) compare with other states are we average, are we getting low balled? or are we extra privledged???  

 
    

[remington300mag]

Well if this state went with a traditional archery season....then I want a traditional muzzle loader season....on top of the muzzle loader season we already have! Maybe we could get our late hunts back that way! Oh, and why stop there.....how about a traditional rifle season where you cant use scopes and only .44 lever guns and maybe a 30-30! Sounds like a GREAT idea!!! Wait, don't forget the shotgun season.....the crossbow season.....handgun season.....and the hitting them with your truck season!

Who's With Me?!?!?!  

[Ray]

Except we don't have to have a season. We could have a permit or even a unit or three open for a short extension.  Pick up a stick bow and apply or whatever. It's already in place in Oregon. We can probably get it here. If it was a bad idea then it wouldn't work in Oregon.

[remington300mag]

Except we don't have to have a season. We could have a permit or even a unit or three open for a short extension.  Pick up a stick bow and apply or whatever.

I see what your saying Ray. Problem is, as soon as they gave that type of permit out, or opened an area up for traditional archery, you would have user groups jumping out of the wood work wanting something comparable. The way our game department works they would have it all screwed up in no time at all!

[singleshot12]

I know I would dust off my long bow and start making arrows again if there were a separate unit or season open for traditional only.
To me it is the same as having a certain lake open to fly fishing only vs. anything other.
Fly fishermen and traditional archers consider themselves as purists and separate from other forms of hunting and fishing anyways.